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Any word on this year's prolific tournament?

Space Medafighter X | Posted 6/30/2008 7:23:51 PM | message detail
"the enter"
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TrulyDexterous | Posted 6/30/2008 7:38:11 PM | message detail
Oops.

Pfft! Like women should be allowed the enter.

Dammit!
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threetimes | Posted 6/30/2008 8:47:22 PM | message detail
I'll enter as gender-neutral then. :p
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TripleJumpMB | Posted 6/30/2008 8:48:45 PM | message detail
SsJgOHANXXXI239_ROX_DBZPKMNLOVEBABY4EVA2009 might know something about this tournament.
warfreak | Posted 6/30/2008 10:59:54 PM | message detail
Gender Neutral? Well, the winner could be a lot of things, just not king.
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Gbness | Posted 7/1/2008 1:52:09 PM | message detail
So, I guess we start on July 4? That's always a good even day to start stuff on.
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Devin Morgan | Posted 7/1/2008 7:56:28 PM | message detail
So you guys want it I guess? I can't start it until at least the 7th, just so everyone is aware. Being that I'm going away for the holiday weekend and have other obligations. Remember that it does take a while to set up the bracket and all. ;)

On a side note, how should the 96-person tourney be handled? Top 32 in one, 33-96 in another, or everyone all together in one?

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Dark Vortex | Posted 7/1/2008 8:02:01 PM | message detail
Well, if it is to be randomized, I think all 96 in one bracket would be less of a headache. I personally thought the three-way semifinal match of two years ago (at least I think it was two years ago) worked pretty well!
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PeTeRL90 | Posted 7/1/2008 9:59:19 PM | message detail
So wait, are seeds going to be randomized this year?
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Agressionless | Posted 7/2/2008 1:12:21 AM | message detail
Besides for the respect of those who have written so much, this tournament should have always been randomized.
Space Medafighter X | Posted 7/2/2008 1:38:54 AM | message detail
I like the idea of randomization most. Failing that, the two seperate brackets of 1-32 and 33-96 sounds good.
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Devin Morgan | Posted 7/2/2008 1:41:06 AM | message detail
Alright so let's come up with a consensus here then. Two brackets (top 32, 33-96) going against each other at the end, or one big 96 person one? Then after that is answered... do we randomize where each position in the bracket(s) is?

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warfreak | Posted 7/2/2008 1:42:13 AM | message detail
The 1-32 and 33-96 isn't that bad, but you need to make sure that the 1-32 are THE BEST SELECTIONS, you don't want 1 facing 96, thats no contest.
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PeTeRL90 | Posted 7/2/2008 2:12:01 AM | message detail
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PeTeRL90 | Posted 7/2/2008 2:15:04 AM | message detail
Actually, here's an idea.

1-32 should be the 32 writers with the most KB or take a vote on who people think are the best 32 writers on the site.

33-96 should be randomized.
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Super Slash | Posted 7/2/2008 2:31:16 AM | message detail
^I think that's a good idea, as well.
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Agressionless | Posted 7/2/2008 4:48:02 AM | message detail
The point of randomizing is to hopefully create some heavy matchups earlier on (leading to more interesting (new) matchups as the tournament progresses. Therefore, you must randomize ALL contestents. I think you should do one bracket for the sake of the top 32 writers (who have faced each other over and over again).
Space Medafighter X | Posted 7/2/2008 4:51:21 AM | message detail
My revised opinion:

Bracket of 32 and Bracket of 64, randomize everything in each bracket.
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threetimes | Posted 7/2/2008 5:07:09 AM | message detail
Um, I just counted the prolifics and there are 100. At least I am pretty sure that was the number. Does this mean that some are discounted if the number in the tournament is only 96?
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Tessa 6 | Posted 7/2/2008 5:43:55 AM | message detail
TrulyDexterous | Posted 7/1/2008 3:20:14 AM | message detail
Pfftt! Like women should be allowed the enter...


I do hope this was a joke.

And even if it was, it sucked.
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Space Medafighter X | Posted 7/2/2008 6:50:05 AM | message detail
threetimes - there are actually 99.

I've already talked to Devin about this. The three bottom by KB will be knocked off the list, and that's it. You're way above the threshold for staying on, so there's no need for you to worry.
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Devin Morgan | Posted 7/2/2008 7:13:51 AM | message detail
Space Medafighter X | Posted 7/1/2008 11:51:21 PM | message detail
My revised opinion:

Bracket of 32 and Bracket of 64, randomize everything in each bracket.


But does that mean we randomize before or after we split the brackets up? Say, do we put the top 32 into the first bracket and THEN randomize it, or do we randomize _everyone_ before divvying it up into 32/64 person brackets? Just want to make sure I'm clear on what's wanted here...

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Psycho_Penquin | Posted 7/2/2008 7:15:04 AM | message detail
What would be the point of randomizing everyone and splitting it into 32/64 anyways?
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Space Medafighter X | Posted 7/2/2008 7:18:07 AM | message detail
The former, Dev. That way authors will at least still be around their general range in degree of work.
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Crazyreyn | Posted 7/2/2008 11:23:05 AM | message detail
I agree with - Bracket of 32 and Bracket of 64, randomize everything in each bracket.

And please let Brian do a draw out of a hat (or bathtub) with commentary - that would be so awesome.
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brian sulpher | Posted 7/2/2008 11:46:23 AM | message detail
I say do all 96 mixed together with random drawing.
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assassin17 | Posted 7/2/2008 2:04:15 PM | message detail
I say they have a dance-off!
Agressionless | Posted 7/3/2008 2:59:29 AM | message detail
i agree with bsulpher.
bodo_parkour | Posted 7/3/2008 12:15:36 PM | message detail
I also think Brian's got it right.
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Gbness | Posted 7/5/2008 7:15:23 PM | message detail
bump, cuz I wanna see the Sulpher vid.
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Crazyreyn | Posted 7/7/2008 11:33:36 AM | message detail
7th is here; should Sulpher draw the bracket?
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brian sulpher | Posted 7/7/2008 11:46:46 AM | message detail
Once a conclusion is reached, let me know as I will need to go buy a webcam (which I will do to do this).
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PeTeRL90 | Posted 7/7/2008 11:02:39 PM | message detail
It doesn't matter to me either way, really.
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Gbness | Posted 7/8/2008 1:05:40 AM | message detail
I say do the 32 and 64 thing. There's no point in making two brackets AND randomizing, that just randomizes it too much. But then again I don't get to laugh at Sulpher, which is a horrible disadvantage
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Agressionless | Posted 7/8/2008 4:05:17 AM | message detail
No, randomizing all seeds is the best. Splitting authors up implies there is a barrier between 1-32 and the rest. Simply not the case. And regardless, there is no advantage to that situation.
Rampidzier | Posted 7/8/2008 7:17:56 AM | message detail
I think randomizing it would be best. There would be no need to split up with random and I think it's a pretty fair way to deal with things.
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TrulyDexterous | Posted 7/8/2008 7:10:11 PM | message detail
You could throw everyone in one bracket. If they lose a match, they drop to a second bracket, but if they win, then they continue in the first bracket. I believe this was a premise used in a non-prolific tourney a few years back.
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PeTeRL90 | Posted 7/9/2008 8:46:29 PM | message detail
But it was never implemented, correct?
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TrulyDexterous | Posted 7/9/2008 9:10:45 PM | message detail
I thought it was? Then there were two winners.
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Gbness | Posted 7/9/2008 9:55:23 PM | message detail
Nah, it wasn't.
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Dark Vortex | Posted 7/10/2008 10:05:19 PM | message detail
When is this planned to start?
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Action | Posted 7/11/2008 1:35:16 AM | message detail
Howdy ho Dark Vortex. :)
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Meowthnum1 | Posted 7/11/2008 9:23:35 AM | message detail
We thought about doing a double elimination bracket for one of the NP tournaments, but it proved to be much too complicated to pull together. In any case, the point of a double elimination tournament is not to have two winners, but rather, the winner of the winner's bracket and the winner of the loser's bracket would have a match. If the winner's bracket winner won, then he or she would be the winner of the tournament; if the loser's bracket's champion won, then there'd be a rematch (as it is still double elimination, even in the finals), and the winner of that would be the winner of the tournament.

But DE is a very hard thing to set up.
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TrulyDexterous | Posted 7/11/2008 7:38:41 PM | message detail
Great input Trace! It WOULD be something a little different though.
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Gbness | Posted 7/11/2008 10:02:34 PM | message detail
so, Brian, got a webcam yet? =P
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The Return of Hylian | Posted 7/11/2008 10:36:56 PM | message detail
Is this still happening? If it's not too late for an opinion then I'd like to throw in my two cents.

You should establish the bracket based on what your goals for this contest are. If you want to see some newer blood have success, then you should probably split the contest into two brackets, being the aforementioned 32-person veteran side and the 64-person newcomer bracket. Another
theory would be to throw everyone into a 96-person bracket with double elimination rules, though
such a contest would result in twice the time and energy needed to run it (obviously).

If you want to see how long-time contributors stack up against newer users then by all means place everyone into the same bracket. I highly doubt that it would be as predictable as most people think, but I haven't really been here for that long.

As far as randomization goes, it really doesn't matter how you work that out. There would be little basis for seeding the entrants because you don't have a lot of material on which to judge the newcomers. If you choose to make two different brackets, I'd randomize at least the one with 64 people. A randomization of the remaining bracket would make things pretty interesting as well.
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Rampidzier | Posted 7/12/2008 6:05:17 PM | message detail
I think we're trying to make this too complicated. Simplicity is normally the best.
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Agressionless | Posted 7/12/2008 7:03:29 PM | message detail
Randomize everyone. Simple.
Super Slash | Posted 7/12/2008 8:48:44 PM | message detail
I think we're trying to make this too complicated. Simplicity is normally the best.


I agree.
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