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Why do people say only poor, uneducated people joining the US army
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/14/2007 7:35:53 AM | message detail |
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All officers are college graduated; more than 1/3 of E-6 or above are
also college graduated as well; and you need a high school diploma to
be enlisted, while we have so many people in this country fail high
school. With all this fact it shows the average intelligence of the US armed force is much higher than the average of the country --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| TripleJumpMB | Posted 8/15/2007 1:43:05 AM | message detail |
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It's a stereotype. Because most people who join the army aren't
qualified for a job. All it takes is physical skill to be an army man. I had a student teacher who served in the Canadian forces, he said that the army guys were stupid. And saying that a US army is smarter than the american people isn't saying anything, I mean, you DID elect bush again.. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/38449.html |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/15/2007 2:22:02 AM | message detail |
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Even with Bush as president the US is still prosperous while the
so-called intelligent European liberals are soon going to live in 3rd
world and get owned by China. --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| MikePenance | Posted 8/15/2007 9:55:28 AM | message detail |
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"Even with Bush as president the US is still prosperous while the
so-called intelligent European liberals are soon going to live in 3rd
world and get owned by China." Don't be ridiculous. --- Fact: 90% of the people who can't spell the word "idiot" don't get the irony. |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/15/2007 11:41:16 AM | message detail |
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Just watch in 20 years the strength of China will surpass the entire EU
combined, and that's because Europeans believe in non-competitive
socialism while the rest of world is more capitalistic day by day --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| MikePenance | Posted 8/15/2007 12:38:44 PM | message detail |
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Fond of hyperbole aren't we? I honestly doubt what you say would ever
happen. I just see a lot of overgeneralising on your part. --- Fact: 90% of the people who can't spell the word "idiot" don't get the irony. |
| Cold NRG | Posted 8/15/2007 6:24:38 PM | message detail |
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most people who join the army aren't qualified for a job. All it takes is physical skill to be an army man. That's one grotesquely ridiculous exaggeration. I'm not even in the Army and got a case of the "WTF?s" when I read that. --- Whites, boycott Circuit City for anti-white discrimination: http://www.freshplaza.com/2007/0330/re_us_circuitcity.html |
| TripleJumpMB | Posted 8/15/2007 7:08:27 PM | message detail |
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I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. I put it there because he was asking why people said it, so I posted the stereotype. Though I doubt most people are joining because they WANT to (besides those who apply to be officers, because they don't have to fight usually and get decent pay). Consider it from the view of the non-officers: Bad pay, terrible conditions, long hours overseas, you have to fight and shoot people,carrying a ton of stuff on your back in the blazing heat and possibly die. Therefor the only reason people can see someone joining is because: A. They want "excitement" (and probably get turned off later). B. They are patriotic (probably very few) or C. They don't want to go on and spend years getting a better education for a better job, or they aren't "smart" enough. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/38449.html |
| The Admiral | Posted 8/15/2007 11:24:14 PM | message detail |
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Does anyone have actual statistics to support either side of this argument, or is everyone just talking out of their ass? --- - The Admiral |
| TripleJumpMB | Posted 8/16/2007 12:03:05 AM | message detail |
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Nope, 'cause like I said, I'm posting stereotypes which need no basis in fact~ --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/38449.html |
| warfreak | Posted 8/16/2007 5:05:37 AM | message detail |
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the EU won't be in the third world, but it is likely that China will
take over with the rate their economy is going. Currently, the Chinese
economy is only one sixth of the US economy. --- Marge: Homer, the plant called. They said if you don't show up tomorrow don't bother showing up on Monday. Homer: Woo-hoo. Four-day weekend. - The Simpsons |
| The Admiral | Posted 8/16/2007 7:05:11 AM | message detail |
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No doubt that the US-China gap is closing, but as far as them passing
the US economy -- I'll believe it when I see it. Heard the same thing
about Japan during their massive expansion in the early 90s. Never
materialized. China is taking a lot of shortcuts to fuel its growth --
destroying its environment, failing to provide adequate social services
for its people, failing to modernizing the infrastructure in non-urban
areas, etc. It's only a matter of time before China's growth is
staggered by all these things. The US has had 60+ years since the end
of WW2 to build its economy. China has a very long way to go and cannot
leapfrog this growth in under 20 years. Not to mention, it has just as
good of a chance of going the way Russia did after the collapse of the
Soviet Union if it neglects its social and political problems for long
enough. --- - The Admiral |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/16/2007 1:19:50 PM | message detail |
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The Admiral Posted 8/15/2007 3:24:14 PM message detail Does anyone have actual statistics to support either side of this argument, or is everyone just talking out of their ass? Ugr, the minimum requirement to become an officer in US armed force is either --College graduates who complete boot camps --College graduates with GPA 3.7 or above --Not sure about those who completed the ROTC If you are not a college graduate, the highest rank you can achieve in US armed force is warrant officer. Remember this is the US armed force, not PLA. --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/16/2007 1:25:24 PM | message detail |
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The Admiral Posted 8/15/2007 11:05:11 PM message detail No doubt that the US-China gap is closing, but as far as them passing the US economy -- I'll believe it when I see it. In fact, those Chinese commies never wanna beat the US economy. All they want is to take Taiwan back and make sure Japan will never rise again and dominate Asia, and they can already do the first and complete da second in a few decades --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/16/2007 1:30:21 PM | message detail |
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| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/16/2007 1:36:47 PM | message detail |
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TripleJumpMB Posted 8/15/2007 11:08:27 AM message detail Bad pay, A brand new E-3 earns 1,350 USD a month, with free food, free electricity, free health care, free house rental payment, I don't think it is that bad. terrible conditions True ,long hours overseas, Not everyone hates to travel you have to fight and shoot people That is totally stupid. Not everyone is in US Army in Iraq, US marine, or Navy Seal. Go ask recruiters on street and see how many of them actually shoot people. --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| TripleJumpMB | Posted 8/16/2007 8:33:39 PM | message detail |
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Bad pay, A brand new E-3 earns 1,350 USD a month, with free food, free electricity, free health care, free house rental payment, I don't think it is that bad. terrible conditions True ,long hours overseas, Not everyone hates to travel you have to fight and shoot people That is totally stupid. Not everyone is in US Army in Iraq, US marine, or Navy Seal. Go ask recruiters on street and see how many of them actually shoot people. 1. The pay ITSELF is terrible. If they aren't uneducated then they could be an engineer or something and get paid much more to design planes or build them and get the same benefits (because they are still doing work in the army) and get a much higher pay without being obligated to fight. So people see them as uneducated because of this. 2. 3. (hours overseas) Yes, but the fact that you have to think about where you are going makes it worse. It's no big deal to travel somewhere you want to go, but into Iraq where you may be shot, or see a buddy shot it probably feels awful the whole trip. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/38449.html |
| War Doc | Posted 8/16/2007 10:07:02 PM | message detail |
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Killhealerfirst posted: Ugr, the minimum requirement to become an officer in US armed force is either --College graduates who complete boot camps --College graduates with GPA 3.7 or above --Not sure about those who completed the ROTC If you are not a college graduate, the highest rank you can achieve in US armed force is warrant officer. Remember this is the US armed force, not PLA. There are things missing from the above statements and things that are not true at all. Allow me to clarify since I think after being in 21 years should help this out. Not sure what you mean by college graduates completing boot camp. If you mean OCS (Officer Candidate School) or OIS (Officer Instructional School), then that would be their version of boot camp. One does not, I REPEAT, does not have to be a college graduate to become an officer. As an example. The seaman to admiral program in the navy requires the selectee to go out to sea for two to three years as an ensign before they even start college. I know the army has similar programs that allows people to do the same thing. Limited duty officers (LDO's) DO NOT have to have a college degree to become an officer. The only restrictions with them are that they cannot make it to flag or general ranks. They are also more specialzed type officers and not usually field grade. Now, to address another issue: TripleJumpMB 1. The pay ITSELF is terrible. If they aren't uneducated then they could be an engineer or something and get paid much more to design planes or build them and get the same benefits (because they are still doing work in the army) and get a much higher pay without being obligated to fight. So people see them as uneducated because of this. The above may be true, to a point. Unfortunately, with the way jobs and the economy are, you only get what you are paid. If you were to add in housing, meals, and medical into the big equation for an E-3, you would see they make signficantly more money. So now that $1350 per month becomes a lot more. As for your other generalizations, before you go spouting off about things you are totally clueless about, do a little more research. Just because you can't hack it in the armed forces doesn't mean that it is bad. The military is becoming much more hi-tech and it requires people who can get advanced training and I would be willing to pit those people against those on the outside in regard to technical, working knowledge. --- Living by chance, loving by choice, killing by profession |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/17/2007 12:55:13 AM | message detail |
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War Doc Posted 8/16/2007 2:07:02 PM message detail Killhealerfirst posted: Ugr, the minimum requirement to become an officer in US armed force is either Not sure what you mean by college graduates completing boot camp. If you mean OCS (Officer Candidate School) or OIS (Officer Instructional School), then that would be their version of boot camp. I really don't consider it boot camp. It teaches different things compare to boot camp for enlisted One does not, I REPEAT, does not have to be a college graduate to become an officer. As an example. The seaman to admiral program in the navy requires the selectee to go out to sea for two to three years as an ensign before they even start college. I know the army has similar programs that allows people to do the same thing. Ugr, they still go to college in order to move up to higher ranks, after all. --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| TripleJumpMB | Posted 8/17/2007 12:57:55 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, but the higher ranks do less fighting. People are talking about
the "Ordinary Grunts" when they think of uneducated people, not
officers.. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/38449.html |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/17/2007 1:01:01 AM | message detail |
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TripleJumpMB Posted 8/16/2007 12:33:39 PM message detail Bad pay, 1. The pay ITSELF is terrible. If they aren't uneducated then they could be an engineer A noob chemical engineer in Cali earns around 4,000 USD a month after tax, subtracts 1,000 for the house, 150 for electricity/cable TV/ Internet, that already makes 2850 left, and to add the expense of food and health care.... sure, it makes more than 1,350, but remember, E-3 is just for average rednecks in the armed force. --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/17/2007 1:04:57 AM | message detail |
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TripleJumpMB Posted 8/16/2007 4:57:55 PM message detail Yeah, but the higher ranks do less fighting. People are talking about the "Ordinary Grunts" when they think of uneducated people, not officers I highly doubt all 1.3 million enlisted are "grunts", many E-6 or above are college graduates, plus, we need people to operate nuclear engine, they cannot be _uneducated_ grunts, seriously. It is like when you play WC you don't just produce stupid grunts and headhunters, there are also smart shamans and witch doctor casting blood lust and healing ward. It is not like only the hero has MP and can cast spells --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/17/2007 1:08:24 AM | message detail |
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MikePenance Posted 8/15/2007 4:38:44 AM message detail I honestly doubt what you say would ever happen. Ugr, it is happening already. China has surpassed the economy of Germany already and is going to catch up Japan, while the Europeans are still fooled by the dream of socialism, expensive welfare programs, and massive unproductive immigrants from Mid-East. --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| TripleJumpMB | Posted 8/17/2007 1:08:53 AM | message detail |
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I highly doubt all 1.3 million enlisted are "grunts", many E-6 or
above are college graduates, plus, we need people to operate nuclear
engine, they cannot be _uneducated_ grunts, seriously. That's exactly the point, THEY AREN'T THINKING ABOUT THE OFFICERS AND PEOPLE WHO OPERATE THE NUCLEAR ENGINE. They are thinking about the "grunts" and applying it to everyone because they don't think very deeply. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/38449.html |
| Snow Dragon | Posted 8/17/2007 1:26:51 AM | message detail |
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Even with the Admiral and War Doc swooping in to save the day with common sense, this is still one of the worst topics ever. --- I hate... so much about the things that you choose to be |
| War Doc | Posted 8/17/2007 2:17:19 AM | message detail |
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Killhealerfirst Ugr, they still go to college in order to move up to higher ranks, after all. As an LDO, no they don't actually. They make rank based upon their abilities, not some sheepskin. I've know quite a few LDO's who didn't have a degree that moved up nicely through the officer ranks. --- Living by chance, loving by choice, killing by profession |
| Killhealerfirst | Posted 8/17/2007 6:59:43 AM | message detail |
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TripleJumpMB Posted 8/16/2007 5:08:53 PM message detail That's exactly the point, THEY AREN'T THINKING ABOUT THE OFFICERS AND PEOPLE WHO OPERATE THE NUCLEAR ENGINE. An E-6 is enlisted not officier --- --A good government is a government that makes most of people earn more money today than yesterday. |
| MikePenance | Posted 8/17/2007 8:18:37 AM | message detail |
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"while the Europeans are still fooled by the dream of socialism,
expensive welfare programs, and massive unproductive immigrants from
Mid-East. " Again, you're overgeneralising. Europe is made up of 27 "member states" - each with their own stance on various issues (including welfare and immigration), their own laws, their own beliefs, their own economy, and their own way of doing things (both socially and economically). Stop trying to paint a diverse continent with the same brush, eh? --- I reject your reality and substitute my own. |
