And it all goes back to the same thing.

CJayC could have prevented it, but alas he did not.

If there is nothing we can do, then we should see CNeT.
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GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC, June 3rd

I believe that Dogboy hit the nail on the head. It's not so much that we're getting annoyed over something as trivial as a layout change, but the fact that it is just another step toward the complete degenaration of the site, and another indicator of how the admin keeps us misinformed and in the dark.

Gamefaqs used to have a simplistic feel to it with easy load times, but that changed when the Gamespot merge occured. Ever since then the site has picked up a very Gamespot like appearance, a sheen if you will, and lost it's uniqueness by being stuffed full of ads. Whether or not this was anything to do with CJayC is regardless, but it was a stab in the back to those who believed his pervious words of the now infamous CJayC quote.

This new layout is eerily reminscient of all the other forums on the web, which leads to fears of avatars and other unecessary additions to further take away from the Gamefaqs feel.


Writer's block. Curse
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"Hey mom, I think I forgot my lunch at home."- Nirvana on forgetting his lunch
eqiffwhnvwdnohlq

And if he did that, people would be *****ing about not having social boards. After all, people hate change, as witnessed by this new layout.

Except they'd have nowhere to whine, as even if he did keep the game boards, those topics would be deleted for Off-Topic.
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GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. ~CJayC, June 3rd 2003

Except they'd have nowhere to whine, as even if he did keep the game boards, those topics would be deleted for Off-Topic.

*points at MBH*

*points at the multitude of off-topic topics about this layout change*
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Xboxlover2«33»-New York City's #1 GameFAQs User
It's like I'm having a barbecue in my pants!

Obviously many of you either a) Have no concept of the business world or b) Understand the business world but don't pay attention to it.

It is quite simple, as has been stated multiple times, CNET owns GameFAQ's now. What they say goes and it isn't up to CJayC to tell the users every little old thing that is going on.

If you believe that the president/supervisor of a company/division (which CJayC is of GameFAQ's) has to answer to or tell those who are under them everything that is going on, you are living in a fantasy world.

Change happens and it will continue to happen. It has been explained in the Daily Grind what is going on and CJayC has been putting up a few topics here and there. If, by now, you all still don't get it, then there is no sense in continuing this thread because it all boils down to the same gripes and complaints without suggestions for improvement (either to CJayC or to CNET). It seems more people are doing the first thing and not the latter.

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I still say that if you got the entire site to complain to CNET, something might actually happen.
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Q!

Too bad what you say is suppossed to be helping CJay's business is making it worse.

GameFAQs is declining. You can't deny that.
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GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC, June 3rd

Like moths to a flame, here come all the people with no contributor pages flooding the topic to whine.

Heartily seconded. What business do you people even have here? In case you can't read - and I would take monetary wagers on this being the case - this is the FAQ Contributors board. M'kay?

Even if I weren't prolific and thus a beneficiary of the ad-free version of the new board design, I'd be behind this idea all the same. CJayC has decided to reward those who contribute of their own volition prolifically to the backbone of the site. What's not fair about that?

This whining from people who haven't even contributed anything to the site is idiotic. You're so concerned about the way this site looks? Pound for pound, it's still the best collection of FREE game help on the Internet. Get over yourselves.

And if you are one of those people who is pulling your content as a result of this change, good riddance. The site doesn't need contributions from wishy-washy tools like you.
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Can't this wait till I'm old?
Can't I live while I'm young?

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Yeah, get the hell off my board you hooligans. You're not allowed to be here if you don't contribute!
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Such rampant immaturity on this board today makes me feel like I'm on the RCB instead of the FCB.

Grow up, all of you. Even you War Doc, despite the fact that you're old enough to be growing down again.
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This whining from people who haven't even contributed anything to the site is idiotic.

Can you really say there is such a thing as someone who hasn't contributed anything to the site? A large percentage of the userbase hasn't made any direct contributions that you refer to, but they still contribute to the site with their presence. Don't play stupid, you know as well as I do that this site wouldn't be the same with a lot less people.
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From: CJayC | Posted: 6/3/2003
GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site.

kirbix: I point out simple facts. Plus, after having to deal with this same scenario day in and day out for a greater part of 20+ years, it becomes the same old song and dance but with different people.

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Anubis, why are you on the FAQ CONTRIBUTOR BOARD complaining?
No one's calling you useless; we're saying you've got no place here. Complain where you belong- you're not a FAQ contributor, so don't complain with us.
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Like moths to a flame, here come all the people with no contributor pages flooding the topic to whine.


Without those who need to use the Walkthroughs, there is no reason for the walkthroughs. Each party needs the other for one reason or another, so get of here with your asinine "Holier than thou" notations.
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eqiffwhnvwdnohlq

I'll repeat my statement for you (just to get the point across):

This board is designed for the FAQ contributors. It's the ****ing board name. You are not a FAQ contributor, therefore your words should not be heard on this forum. They should be heard in Site Suggestions with the other non-contributors.
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Q!

I'll repeat my statement for you (just to get the point across):

This board is designed for the FAQ contributors. It's the ****ing board name. You are not a FAQ contributor, therefore your words should not be heard on this forum. They should be heard in Site Suggestions with the other non-contributors.



They are here because CJay is(was) here. Simple.

I know why they're here. Doesn't mean they belong, though.

Cjay posted here and not other places because he likes us best...

Actually, not really. He posted here because this information only matters to the contributors. Until you're a contributor, it doesn't concern you.
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sounds unfair to me. You might as well just give contributors extra karma. special treatment was never needed before, why should it be needed now?
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Meh, so you've written FAQs. In my years of being here I've helped tons of people, and answered lots of questions game related and non-game related. The fact that you write FAQs makes you no better than me. Is it that hard making 20 save games or making some secret FAQ or whatever? No, this isn't about the ads, it's about Gfaqs becoming GS2, and eventualy megring with GS... There's a reason I'm in Gfaqs, and not in other boards.


On another note:
Cjay remember that old FAQ thread in your board? Well...
While CNET owns the site, I still have editorial control which is what's really important. , "CNET" doesn't decide what gets posted on the site - That's all Sailor Bacon and myself. We decide which message board accounts get banned, which contributions get posted, and what yes, even how the pages look. While the GameSpot design team came up with the current site design, I approved it

Ironic isnt it? Less than a year ago...

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From: CJayC | Posted: 6/3/2003
GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site.

[This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]

Please. Don't act like every individual is indispensable to this website, especially the ones who haven't contributed a lick of anything to its livelihood. The fact is and always will be that the boards are secondary to the content. The contributors are the ones breathing life into this website with their FAQs, reviews, codes, images, saves, and everything else. As for those who only visit this site to post on the boards, the only contribution they are making is toward the increase of the boards' total post count. This hardly possesses the same gravity, in my opinion.

You have not contributed a FAQ to this website. This is the FAQ Contributors board.

Therefore, you, and all the people the above statement applies to, do not have a valid say in this topic. Period.
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Can't this wait till I'm old?
Can't I live while I'm young?

Anubis, why are you on the FAQ CONTRIBUTOR BOARD complaining?
No one's calling you useless; we're saying you've got no place here. Complain where you belong- you're not a FAQ contributor, so don't complain with us.

I don't care what board this is, and don't bother telling me to take it somewhere else. This is the first place I saw CJayC post that wasn't in an already-locked topic, so this is where I am. If you don't like it, feel free to ignore me.
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From: CJayC | Posted: 6/3/2003
GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site.

Everyone has a right to post here I think.

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All that post does is prove that he's right: You drew to a Cjay topic like a moth to a flame.
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Snow Dragon: Your arrogant attitude is really kind of sad. If that's what comes as a byproduct of having submitted so many "wonderful" contributions, I'm glad I never found the time to do so. Refer to my previous post.

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From: CJayC | Posted: 6/3/2003
GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site.

that's rather elitist - "if you haven't contributed a FAQ to the site, you're not worth a thing. get out, loser."

everyone has a right to be heard, whether or not they've contributed. contributing to this site doesn't put you, me or anyone on a pedestal.

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"BTW I can kick myself in the face." - DSRage

From: Snow Dragon Posted 4/11/2006 6:41:27 PM #173
Please. Don't act like every individual is indispensable to this website, especially the ones who haven't contributed a lick of anything to its livelihood. The fact is and always will be that the boards are secondary to the content. The contributors are the ones breathing life into this website with their FAQs, reviews, codes, images, saves, and everything else. As for those who only visit this site to post on the boards, the only contribution they are making is toward the increase of the boards' total post count. This hardly possesses the same gravity, in my opinion.

You have not contributed a FAQ to this website. This is the FAQ Contributors board.

Therefore, you, and all the people the above statement applies to, do not have a valid say in this topic. Period.

there should be no special treatment, period. But if that's the way it's got to be, than I'll find 20 game data contributions to make myself "worthy" of the "premium" gamefaqs.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Everybody has a right to voice their opinion, contributor or not. But I see where Snow Dragon and kirbix are coming from.
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Xboxlover2«33»-New York City's #1 GameFAQs User
It's like I'm having a barbecue in my pants!

You guys are broken records! (emphasis on broken, on many levels)

Your voice SHOULD be heard, but it should not be heard HERE. Why are you even here, anyway? What brought you onto this board if you're not even a contributor?
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I'd say you're the arrogant one if you waltzed into a board you have business being on and posting in a topic that has no relevance to you whatsoever. You walked right into this.
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Can't this wait till I'm old?
Can't I live while I'm young?

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We're not broken records, you just seem to lack simple comprehension skills.

CJayC posted HERE. I don't what board this is, he posted HERE. I'm posting here after HIM so HE can see what I said.
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From: CJayC | Posted: 6/3/2003
GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Everybody has a right to voice their opinion, contributor or not. But I see where Snow Dragon and kirbix are coming from.




Same here. I get what they are saying but trying to enforce that is impossible so it's not worth even bringing up.

I'd say you're the arrogant one if you waltzed into a board you have business being on and posting in a topic that has no relevance to you whatsoever. You walked right into this.

I second this- Anubis in particular is showing why MBA had to be locked down: "CJAY WAS HERE! I MUST POST!"
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I'd say you're the arrogant one if you waltzed into a board you have business being on and posting in a topic that has no relevance to you whatsoever. You walked right into this.

Who are you to say what boards I have business being on? From this moment on, I'm not even going to acknowledge anything you say; your opinion is worthless to me.
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From: CJayC | Posted: 6/3/2003
GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site.

sounds unfair to me. You might as well just give contributors extra karma. special treatment was never needed before, why should it be needed now?

Because premium is going to cost extra and have extra benefits. Those guys contributed a lot to gfaqs and is probably one of those main reasons the site became what it is today. I think it's one of those peace offerings and acknowledging their hardwork throughout the years. Cjay is smart at not biting the hand that feeds him (i.e, the site growth not cj). If I were those guys writing so much faqs and not getting premium despite all the work, I would feel jipped somehow.

Oh yeah, no contributions = GTFO the board etc blah blah blah.
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If practice makes perfect, and nobody's perfect. What's the point of practicing?

Call me a "holier than thou" elitist all you want. The fact remains that a bunch of people that would never post on this board otherwise are only here to whine and complain because CJayC made the topic. Had, oh.... Devin Moragn made this topic as a second party, we wouldn't see all of the petty immaturity.

Meh, so you've written FAQs. In my years of being here I've helped tons of people, and answered lots of questions game related and non-game related. The fact that you write FAQs makes you no better than me. Is it that hard making 20 save games or making some secret FAQ or whatever? No, this isn't about the ads, it's about Gfaqs becoming GS2, and eventualy megring with GS... There's a reason I'm in Gfaqs, and not in other boards.

Exceptions like you exist, naturally. I'm just lashing out at all of the little kiddies coming in here to whine about selling out without offering any constructive criticism.

If GameFAQs is just like any other site, then why are you people spending all of your free time here? Certainly you could go elsewhere to one of the hundreds of other sites that are LOL OMG EXACTLY THE SAME and have a much better experience, given that we're all the same now. In fact, I implore you to do so as you help to give all of us a bad reputation. Go help IGN become "the console fanboy site that does nothing but troll", please.

PS - Check GameFAQs' numbers on Alexa since 2003. The hits have gone up at a rapid rate since the purchase, so apparently they're doing something right.

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Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C

I'm gonna sit back and grab some popcorn, followed by a drink, and listen to this pointless argument. No need to act like children, folks...
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that's rather elitist - "if you haven't contributed a FAQ to the site, you're not worth a thing. get out, loser."

everyone has a right to be heard, whether or not they've contributed. contributing to this site doesn't put you, me or anyone on a pedestal.

If you had contributed FAQs, then you would know how we would be feeling. You do have a right to your own opinion, and can be heard if you want. But unless you have contributed, you'll never understand what position we are in. There is a chance you may understand exactly where we are coming from or how we are feeling, and that's fine and dandy. But unless you have done some work like we have, your opinions may not have as much weight as those who have contributed FAQs. If you do understand where we are coming from, no one else should give you any grief about it. Like I said though, if you contributed FAQs, then you would understand, no offense.
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Life is full of irritations, and I'm just one of them. Get use to it and move on.

hahaha, most users on gfaqs are children.
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If practice makes perfect, and nobody's perfect. What's the point of practicing?

oh, but I have - this is my work account.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/45023.html

sorry if it isn't enough.
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xyzzy

It's a really simple process to fix this problem.

1) Read the Daily Grind
2) Write your own board style in CSS (you can't? Oh, gee... guess you can't complain!)
3) Become an active member of what makes up our site and gives it the name GameFAQs.
4) Realize the fact: It's Cjay's site, not yours
5) Realize a bigger fact: If CNET says so, it stays
6) Upon realizing this, complain to CNET

There! problem solved.
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everyone has a right to be heard, whether or not they've contributed.

Normally I'd agree with you, but read the board name.

That said, I'd suggest Ceej make a topic on SS or something if he wants user feedback.

Heartily seconded. What business do you people even have here? In case you can't read - and I would take monetary wagers on this being the case - this is the FAQ Contributors board. M'kay?

Even if I weren't prolific and thus a beneficiary of the ad-free version of the new board design, I'd be behind this idea all the same. CJayC has decided to reward those who contribute of their own volition prolifically to the backbone of the site. What's not fair about that?

This whining from people who haven't even contributed anything to the site is idiotic. You're so concerned about the way this site looks? Pound for pound, it's still the best collection of FREE game help on the Internet. Get over yourselves.

And if you are one of those people who is pulling your content as a result of this change, good riddance. The site doesn't need contributions from wishy-washy tools like you.

I like this guy <3

~*ST*~
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Currently Playing: Kingdom Hearts 2, FF4A, Deus Ex, C&C

Haha, kirbix owned.
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The world before the fall... Delightful is the light of dawn... Noble is the heart of man...

The fact remains that a bunch of people that would never post on this board otherwise are only here to whine and complain because CJayC made the topic.

Then there is always that too.
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Life is full of irritations, and I'm just one of them. Get use to it and move on.

God forbid someone post their opinions in a topic that CJayC might actually read rather than in their own topic on some random social board that will be buried under hundreds of other topics.
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