http://strategywiki.net/wiki/Main_Page
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Hi Karpah.

This page.

http://strategywiki.net/wiki/Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Walkthrough

Blacklisted already.
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The FAQer Profiles and History - http://homepages.tesco.net/vicky.reynolds1

I saw that, and it's very discouraging.

I have no idea how long this has been up either, so I'm hoping I get some opinions.
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Hi Karpah.

This guy sent me an IM asking me if I wanted to be a part of it, I said no and explained why, then he called me big headed and said GameFAQs writers are too cocky for their own good. Fun to see he's a stealer, too.
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Yeah, and that might be just some random punk stealing work, and might not be a site wide occurrence.

The idea of it though is quite handy for the reader, with images and free editing. However there's vandalism and that I would rather have proper recognition for my works (sounds somewhat selfish I guess, but when you put a lot of effort and time into walkthroughs you want credit). I'll be interested to see how the site evolves.
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XD at the comment on the OoT page.

In the past couple of weeks I've received emails from:
- www.wikiguides.com
- "Unnamed" wiki FAQ site
- www.gamebert.com

Andi was like... no, no, no. This morning I got an email from some guy about this fourth Wiki-guide site which had already gone ahead without emailing me. The guy was like "I'll have it removed if you want" and I was like "Sure."

These wiki-FAQ sites are becoming a full-blown fad.
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I got an e-mail from him. It really makes no sense. If I put in a copyright thing that says no dupication or changes made then what makes them think I would like them to change it, chop it up, and then allow any person mess it up.


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For the first time in my life, I actually spit something out onto the computer screen.

I seriously doubt these sites would last. Even the granddaddy of them all (wikipedia) has budget issues in addition to concerns about vandalism.

These other sites popping up might do some good though. Hey, it may just push Gamefaqs to implement some added features.
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On a related note, the word "Wiki" was recently added to my list of horrible new-age words that make me want to kill myself. With "Blog," "Podcast," and "Wiki" it now totals three.
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Those are also on my list of hated words, as well as myspace...
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Myspace is way better than Wikis and Podcasts.
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I'll admit I've never been exposed to much myspace aside from those atrocious profiles playing terrible music people also link to as a joke, but nonetheless there's no chance in hell it could even stand as a shadow to the awesomeness of Wikipedia. I learned more browsing random Wikipedia articles last year than through the entire semester of university. Infinite knowledge > all.
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I can conceive of only one challenge for an omnipotent being --
the challenge of destroying himself - Scott Adams

I have allowed Wiki sites to use my guides, but this one is an all-time low. I despise the way the author is inpolite, and claims he can take any "one" guide with the best quality, and post it as free editable material. I know for a fact that the webmasters of the other Wiki sites listed were more cordial, and said they just wanted a guide to help represent the game listed there.

Still, this is an all-time low in internet plagiarism, and it's really for the wrongest of reasons.
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http://www.antseezee.com/ - Writer of 57 FAQs
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Well, I went into their IRC channel, told them what you posted in here, and they did some changes on the site.

- they no longer allow unrigestered users to edit the articles. Probably a bad idea since wikis are supposed to allow free editing to anyone, but it seems it'll stay until the vandalism issues get under control.

- they are now making templates concerning copyright violation and plagiarism. They're also brushing up their ToS and community rules, as well as cleaning up the articles a bit.
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Hentai? I didn't ask for hentai. I asked for anime, you moron.
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That still doesn't address the fundamental violation though: when a site requests original work from an author, the site must tell the author if they intend to modify it. What this Wiki is doing isn't just plagiarism. It's copyright infringement, plagiarism, butchering and bastardisation of the hard work of volunteer writers.
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I don't quite follow you, Scott. Alex' FAQ was posted in an act of vandalism. The site folk woke up one morning and found a whole FAQ there. They asked if someone contacted Alex about it. Apparently no one did, so they corrected the error and wiped off his FAQ.

What you're clamoring about isn't unique to this particular site, but on every other wiki that allows open editing to anyone, even Wikipedia. The only difference is that in Wikipedia, they have a really big community that'll spot the vandalisms within minutes of it getting posted. In StrategyWiki, you have to wait until someone stumbles upon it (hence the "what the hell, talk about underhanded" comment).

If you feel like it, here are the IP addresses of the people who posted GFAQs content on that site.

138.217.168.171 --> posted Alex' OoT FAQ in its entirety.
72.192.26.67 --> posted some entries from the Cheat Codes & Secrets section of OoT.

You can review their edits here on the history page - http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Walkthrough&action=history.
It might be possible that those IPs correspond to someone with a GFAQs account here.

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Hentai? I didn't ask for hentai. I asked for anime, you moron.
*clicks and downloads* - Hayato118

- they no longer allow unrigestered users to edit the articles. Probably a bad idea since wikis are supposed to allow free editing to anyone, but it seems it'll stay until the vandalism issues get under control.

The old dilemma with Wiki sites - allow free editing and the few will ruin it for the many, restrict free editing and you've just destroyed the very purpose of the wiki format.

Ultimately, I think the philosophy for wifis has a critical flaw in it - namely, the assumption that people protected by internet anonimity will still behave politely. They do not. At least, enough do not to cause trouble for everybody else.

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Another thing was that this guy had no crediting system. I know other Wiki sites that would list who the original author was, and this one just listed a direct link to the guide in full context, with no credit. That's pure and blatant credit-snatching.
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http://www.antseezee.com/ - Writer of 57 FAQs
[.-.] RIP Kao Megura ["-"]

*Haven't seen you for a while, CVXFREAK*

I'm fed up by the fact that more and more gaming sites are born but their qualities decrease with time. This one may not be an exception.
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Hi Karpah.

"I know other Wiki sites that would list who the original author was, and this one just listed a direct link to the guide in full context, with no credit. That's pure and blatant credit-snatching."

Then please redirect your complaints to the person who did that whose IP address is listed on my previous post, the same way you'd blame the GFAQs board user who suicides his account and posted mass links to offensive sites (and not the board moderators).
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Hentai? I didn't ask for hentai. I asked for anime, you moron.
*clicks and downloads* - Hayato118

The idea is fabulous, but stealing people guides isn't all that nice lol

For the love of god remove this review.

<http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/dreamcast/review/R23898.html>

Thanks.
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Thank you very much mysterious stranger, for your insightful on-topic post. Given your masterful ability to actually get things done through proper channels, I'll be sure to make every effort to obey your command right after I'm done completely ignoring it.
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I can conceive of only one challenge for an omnipotent being --
the challenge of destroying himself - Scott Adams

So let me ask... what can the StrategyWiki administration do to restore a state of neutrality with the GFAQs writers? They really want to coexist peacefully with you guys, aiming for the same goal of providing good video game guides.
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Hentai? I didn't ask for hentai. I asked for anime, you moron.
*clicks and downloads* - Hayato118

I don't understand why any author would want to submit a complete and thorough guide to a Wiki...kind of defeats the purpose of writing it if it's going to be edited.

Even though I probably won't ever join that site, perhaps advise them to have a feature on the site where the original author must allow and verify the changes to it...

After all, we're just licensing a site the use of our guide "as is" until we change it. If it's different than what we submitted or agreed to, then it's copyright infringement as far as I know.
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Nothing at all. It's a Wiki site, therefore when stupid crap happens, most of the time the actual site admin is completely oblivious to it simply because it's freely workable my anyone. It's not really their fault. Of course they feel like they have to do something about it, say for example, not allowing anonymous revisions, and so it begins from there.

The entire idea is fundamentally flawed. With complete anonymity there's no way to get around people just copying and dumping down text wherever they want. Even if they did half of it has been lost in rearrangement by so many other people. You try to get around this by forced logins and you lose the primary purpose of the "Wiki" idea. They say they want to go "beyond" GameFAQs' primitive text guides to fully diagrammed guides maybe even including video. I've heard that before... from every other guide site on the planet. Furthermore, the more work people start putting into a site like that, the more they're going to realize the flaws when their hard work goes uncredited, and then just gets butchered by the next random guy who passes through.

Once again I have nothing against the site on a personal level, it's just the FAQ-Wiki premise itself that I find (to put it bluntly) a dumb crappy fad idea that sucks.
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I can conceive of only one challenge for an omnipotent being --
the challenge of destroying himself - Scott Adams

For the love of god remove this review.

<http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/dreamcast/review/R23898.html>

Thanks.

Actually, I'll go ahead and remove it. I completely forgot what the game was about and wrote the review back when my writing and description skills were not up to par. Thanks for the reminder.
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Hi Karpah.

I seriously want to write a guide for that strategywiki site, it almost makes creating the guide so much more fun because you can add visual content.

They should somehow have a way of locking your own guides so no one else can post in them or only have a list of allowed people or something, that would be grand :p

That would defeat the whole point of having a wiki guide though. I do think there should be some restriction in terms of who can edit (registered users) but that might not be enough to curb vandalism or needless revions.
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