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| From: Masamune3 | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:15:22 PM | Message Detail |
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| From: Split Infinity | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:17:11 PM | Message Detail |
| A previous issue was involved with some other guide, for which I've reasoned with him. Still, what he's doing with FFX-2 guide it outrageous. Yeah, the quote circles is said in the game, but Siniroth didn't even have the courtesy of writing it down for himself. Instead just took it from mine (as he did every other ones, but those don't involve misspelled words or something). Here's just one more of parts he 'made': If you look into my guide under Character's Status section, entry 'Auto-Life' you will see that I state that KO-ed girl recovers 25% MAX HP when she's reawakened. So what is wrong with this? It isn't *true* - Auto-Life actually recovers only 12,5% MAX HP when girl reawakens from KO (trap I have set up). To demonstrate SinirothX's entry, take a look at this excerpt: Auto-Life | With this status on one character, if they go under | KO, they are revified with 25% maximum HP. And I cannot be bothered e-mailing him - not yet. I'm pissed and if I where to make one, there'd do lot of expletives involved, so I'll refrain from it for now. |
| From: Son Kain | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:21:44 PM | Message Detail |
| By the way, totally off topic, but Split, your FFX-2 guide is REALLY damn good. I'm using it and with my own methods of play, I'm doing great. --- IGN Guides - http://guides.ign.com/ Project(s) - Sword of Mana |
| From: Mr Jason | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:22:03 PM | Message Detail |
| Well, the spelling could be proof, and I have already emailed him myself, but just one question: Why would you purposely change different statuses in the game just to prove a point? Isn't that lying to the readers out there? Wouldn't it be better just to change the quotes a little, that way it dosen't provide false info? --- Thank you, St. Peter. I look forward to hearing your response to the following: ( | ) This is your ass. It is very fat.-Seanbaby |
| From: necropenguin | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:24:44 PM | Message Detail |
| That's quite a nasty system of traps you've set up, Split Infinity. He will most definitely have a difficult time explaining that... but I also think that it is kind of wrong to list incorrect information in an FAQ on purpose. --- GnBS elite, and Titans captain - The black uniforms make my ass look great! "The Penguin, aye? Who's his victim this time?" - Batman |
| From: Son Kain | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:24:52 PM | Message Detail |
| Jason: I think what traps he sets are for small things that won't really affect much. If someone sees the girls don't revive with 25%, they'll make a note of it. It's not something that'll totally prohibit them from winning the game. If infact he said to do something that was wrong, say, to go to some place and do something that's not possible, etc, then yes, call him on it. I, too, have "traps" in my FAQs, but I'm not about to release them. But none of the traps are false info. --- IGN Guides - http://guides.ign.com/ Project(s) - Sword of Mana |
| From: Split Infinity | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:29:22 PM | Message Detail |
| That's true. Everything I have 'set-up' doesn't prohibit a player in any way. False 25% MAX HP for revival instead of true 12,5%? Not a big whoop, wouldn't you say?=) Same is for Lag and System Shock stuff from first post. In fact, from the time guide went up, I haven't received single mail that would point out 'mistakes' I've made. |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:32:27 PM | Message Detail |
| It looks like the only trap you've listed so far that "affects" players is the revival one. Everything else seems to be abbriviations/spelling mistakes so I don't see how those affect players. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: Split Infinity | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:36:37 PM | Message Detail |
| me frog, there's more, believe me. Of course, I ain't revealing it for obvious reasons. |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:36:46 PM | Message Detail |
| shoecream: Isn't the quote you circled actually said in the game? Damned if I know. I've never played the ****ing game and hope to never even see it. But what I was trying to point out is that they both spelled relieve wrong, because I didn't do any editing except a few line break changes. I fixed the pic so EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT THE SAME SPELLING ERROR IS VISIBLE: http://www.losmonos.netfirms.com/sidebyside_brain_dead.png --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:36:57 PM | Message Detail |
| Spelling mistakes can be traps too. It's one hell of a coincidence if someone mispells the same word twice like that. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: JungleJim | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:39:01 PM | Message Detail |
| Nothing wrong with Split's "traps", IMO. I've heard that strat guide publishers do similar things. Even with the traps, his information accuracy percentage is way above most people's faqs/posts, methinks. As for what happens to Sin's faqs, if CJayC determines that he did indeed plagiarize, I'd be satisfied with the offending faq being removed, and perhaps closer scrutiny of his future work. I'm inclined to forgive people if they make serious attempts to make amends for their mistakes, so I think his current and future work shouldn't be removed, as long as it's original. --- Microsoft = the devil |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:39:45 PM | Message Detail |
| We still have to consider that this could be a coincidence (the spelling error). It's easy to make a small typo and leave out the "i" But then again, there's a very small chance that the other traps the Split Infinity laid weren't "coincidences" for SinirothX's guide. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:41:55 PM | Message Detail |
| We still have to consider that this could be a coincidence (the spelling error). It's easy to make a small typo and leave out the "i" But then again, there's a very small chance that the other traps the Split Infinity laid weren't "coincidences" for SinirothX's guide. Are you arguing with yourself? Because you just contradicted yourself. --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:42:02 PM | Message Detail |
| I agree with JungleJim. It doesn't look like Sniroth is directly plagiarizing word for word, so it shouldn't be full punishment. Best thing would be taking that guide down, preventing him from writing for X-2 again, and but him on probation for a while. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: Mr Jason | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:42:10 PM | Message Detail |
| Personally, I don't see anything wrong with traps, it's just stuff like changing the status info that gets to me. Anyways. SI, sorry if I seem like I am questioning your proof, it's just that I want to hear Siniroth's side before having judgement on him.... --- Thank you, St. Peter. I look forward to hearing your response to the following: ( | ) This is your ass. It is very fat.-Seanbaby |
| From: Son Kain | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:43:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Then why would Siniroth call Leblanc LB.? --- IGN Guides - http://guides.ign.com/ Project(s) - Sword of Mana |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:44:53 PM | Message Detail |
| Are you arguing with yourself? Because you just contradicted yourself. lol, I guess you could look at it that way. What I mean is, Siniroth possibly didn't copy the mission description from SI, but he probably copied the other information from... holy **** I just confused the hell outta myself :( Forget I ever said the last couple of posts... --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:45:49 PM | Message Detail |
| Forget I ever said the last couple of posts... Hehe. I'd be happy to. --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:47:09 PM | Message Detail |
| Oh, and I'm still waiting for a comment on my new picture. --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:48:39 PM | Message Detail |
| SI, about how many traps do you have in your guide (I would understand if you didn't want to answer this question) --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: Mr Jason | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:51:23 PM | Message Detail |
| In a way, it does look like he copied and pasted the quotes from SI's guide (Caps on the title, Spelling Errors, etc.), but my question is: WHY would he steal info from another guide, when he is fully capeable of doing it himself (Which he has shown). That part, I don't understand.... --- Thank you, St. Peter. I look forward to hearing your response to the following: ( | ) This is your ass. It is very fat.-Seanbaby |
| From: FFMrebirth | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:52:45 PM | Message Detail |
| Spelling mistakes can be traps too. It's one hell of a coincidence if someone mispells the same word twice like that. Admittedly, I do this as well. I'll even go to the extent of putting a filler sentence in just to trap someone. Say, if it's a hard part of a game, I'll make sure to put some stuff in that's hidden from the average reader. It's like watermarking images. Very effective. --- FAQs: (487KB) Reviews : 75 (401KB) IImastersII: [it] feels good to kill some people. |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:53:21 PM | Message Detail |
| In a way, it does look like he copied and pasted the quotes from SI's guide (Caps on the title, Spelling Errors, etc.), but my question is: WHY would he steal info from another guide, when he is fully capeable of doing it himself (Which he has shown). That part, I don't understand.... Yeah, me too. He showed he could do great work without other guides when he did FFX. I really want Siniroth to pop in here. I want to hear what he has to say. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:54:35 PM | Message Detail |
| but my question is: WHY would he steal info from another guide, when he is fully capeable of doing it himself (Which he has shown). That part, I don't understand.... Here I come to think for you! Obviously, SinirothX was feeling lazy when he was writing his guide, and since the information was everywhere, he felt that it would be safe to copy+paste the info from SI's guide, because there are so many FFX-2 script sites and whatnot that they couldn't be traced back to him. Would you commit a crime if you thought you could get away with it? But of course, the spelling error messed up his little fling with laziness. --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:55:21 PM | Message Detail |
| Well, this is probably a useless tidbit of info, but has anyone else noticed that he hasn't written for any games with no FAQs prior to his own being posted? Which basically means there were FAQs of some form up for every game before he got to them. Might be worth someone's attention here.. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:56:14 PM | Message Detail |
| Obviously, SinirothX was feeling lazy when he was writing his guide, and since the information was everywhere, he felt that it would be safe to copy+paste the info from SI's guide, because there are so many FFX-2 script sites and whatnot that they couldn't be traced back to him. Would you commit a crime if you thought you could get away with it? Very reasonable explination. I agree with you. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:56:56 PM | Message Detail |
| Hot damn, Devin, you might be on to something! I want to obsessively analyze this because it gives me the same sadistic pleasure that it gives every other person, but unfortunately Chinese homework prevents me from doing that. Anyone who wants to pop a balloon, step forward. --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:57:23 PM | Message Detail |
| And I don't think anyone else said this yet, but that whole description of the "strip search" game that we're highlighting here... Was that whole description from the game itself, or just something you (SI) came up with? --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Mr Jason | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:57:34 PM | Message Detail |
| Yes, I understand the lazyness part, but WHY would a well respected author who has shown that he is capeable of writing useful FAQ's stoop so low to become a hypocrite of his own copyright info? That is a question I want him to answer.... --- Thank you, St. Peter. I look forward to hearing your response to the following: ( | ) This is your ass. It is very fat.-Seanbaby |
| From: Split Infinity | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:58:21 PM | Message Detail |
| me frog: Enough that I have a valid case. Of course, Sini has no way of knowing which they are, case in point being that he never 'made' them in the first place. Mr Jason: As I pointed out, there's 'many-a-mistake' in Sini's guide showing that. |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/3/2004 11:58:58 PM | Message Detail |
| Well, this is probably a useless tidbit of info, but has anyone else noticed that he hasn't written for any games with no FAQs prior to his own being posted? Which basically means there were FAQs of some form up for every game before he got to them. Might be worth someone's attention here.. That's probably worth something, if Siniroth manages to come up with good explinations for the traps he fell into. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: FFMrebirth | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:00:09 AM | Message Detail |
| Wooo wooo! Guys, guys!! Innocent until proven guilty. This topic has turned into nothing but a bashing of a guy that hasn't been online all day. --- FAQs: (487KB) Reviews : 75 (401KB) IImastersII: [it] feels good to kill some people. |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:00:56 AM | Message Detail |
| Yes, I understand the lazyness part, but WHY would a well respected author who has shown that he is capeable of writing useful FAQ's stoop so low to become a hypocrite of his own copyright info? That is a question I want him to answer.... Why? Human nature. Duh. Everyone's a hypocrite. I'm a hypocrite. I'm a sleazeball as well, though you might not think of me as such, and so is SinirothX, it seems. --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:01:03 AM | Message Detail |
| Innocent until proven guilty. This topic has turned into nothing but a bashing of a guy that hasn't been online all day. I think we pretty much proved that one. And I don't see why it's any of our problems since we can't control when he comes online or not... --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:01:49 AM | Message Detail |
| I think we should look at Siniroth's updates next time. He might've possibly seen this topic (and not posted in it). So, does he suddenly make everything right and fix the mistakes he had? Or does he continue to fall into traps? --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: FFMrebirth | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:02:20 AM | Message Detail |
| The only thing that I could use against him is that always told me, and I quote I'm pretty greedy for Kb That might be the incentive (shrugs) Though, I was wondering how he got up a 1300K FF7 guide in 3 months... --- FAQs: (487KB) Reviews : 75 (401KB) IImastersII: [it] feels good to kill some people. |
| From: Split Infinity | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:02:35 AM | Message Detail |
| No, it appears in the game. Anyway, it was what alarmed me that contents of my guide may be copied. So I went and checked up on specific parts of my and Siniroth's guides and 'kaching'. |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:02:44 AM | Message Detail |
| ^He couldn't have seen it; the last time he logged in with his account was earlier this afternoon, a good 14 hours ago. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:03:04 AM | Message Detail |
| Meh, my post was meant for me frog. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:03:53 AM | Message Detail |
| FFM - One of the nails to the coffin, mayhap? --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:04:24 AM | Message Detail |
| Yeah, but I mean the next time we see an FFX-2 update. Check his last login, and if it's after this topic, then see if everything's fixed and there's no mistakes being made anymore. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: FFMrebirth | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:04:33 AM | Message Detail |
| Probably. --- FAQs: (487KB) Reviews : 75 (401KB) IImastersII: [it] feels good to kill some people. |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:08:50 AM | Message Detail |
| User Name SinirothX User ID 529727 Board User Level 32: Legend Awarded to users with at least 350 Karma. No posting restrictions. Account Created 10/25/2002 11:15:09 AM Last Login 1/3/2004 12:54:55 PM Checked just now. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: FFMrebirth | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:09:20 AM | Message Detail |
| We all await in trepidation. --- FAQs: (487KB) Reviews : 75 (401KB) IImastersII: [it] feels good to kill some people. |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:10:26 AM | Message Detail |
| *shoots himself in the head* Dammit, I need to learn to be more clear when saying things. Sorry, I meant check the loging after the next update of his FAQ. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:10:59 AM | Message Detail |
| *login --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: FFMrebirth | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:12:41 AM | Message Detail |
| Shh...me frog....I can cut the tension with a knife. --- FAQs: (487KB) Reviews : 75 (401KB) IImastersII: [it] feels good to kill some people. |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:14:12 AM | Message Detail |
| Please cut :) --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: Masamune3 | Posted: 1/4/2004 12:18:51 AM | Message Detail |
| Interesting. Very interesting. --- http://faqs.ign.com/articles/446/446326p1.html |
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