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| : | | | | | This Topic has been marked closed. No additional messages may be posted. | | | Page 2 of 2 | From: Nintendoholic123 | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:17:59 PM | Message Detail
And you also remembered to upload the romz to the computer yourself, correct?
Or else, technically you're playing someone else's copy.
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From: Chise Ace Uirureyu | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:21:04 PM | Message Detail
'Couldn't resist a young remark, could ya? You may be older in age, but you're still acting like a child to me. Good job bragging, too! You really crushed my self-esteem! Excuse me while I go pick a replacement up. Heck! Maybe I could get a giant ego for half-price with it! Then I could be at your standards, correct? Itai ...
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From: MHulbert | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:22:05 PM | Message Detail
lol@Moriarty
BUT! If your so mature Chise, why did you even take his stuff in the first place? You see this is whats wrong, you are bothered by people you call stupid, but were bothered by the stupid things You do, imagine that? What did you want him to do, write you a thank you note and send cookie because you apologized? Its not like its his fault you did this in the first place. And if you’ll ever learn one thing from me, the guilt and sympathy thing doesn’t work here, 95% of the posters on this board are vets and see right through the crap, so just cut it.
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From: Robbie B | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:22:31 PM | Message Detail
Anyway guys lets leave PAC alone... Drop the topic... Kill the debate kill the arguement.... Knock it off... Make a wish and forget it all....
I mean at least he apologised and it was a mistake by his own occurs......... Let's leave the guy alone. Yes he made a BIG mistake he may have BROKEN a law but from what i've seen he's hurt enough as it is...
Just give him a warning or whatever punishment deemed fit but lets just knock it off...
I've never seen anything so heated as this and believe me I though i got myself into situations that were bad! Beside... Peace has to begin somewhere so i suggest we let Devin Morgan and PAC sit it out and talk it out then once they sort it all out come back to the board and announce their decisions rather than get everyone involved....
Before you get down to flaming me... I'm not supporting either Devin Morgan or PAC i'm simply saying let it cool off... It's bad enough already. I'm sure all those adults out there will understand what i mean.
Flame me if you want yes, i won't flame back though so you can consider me a "sitting duck" :|
Peace...
Robbie B
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From: Nintendoholic123 | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:25:48 PM | Message Detail
Oh gee wilkers... what do I have here. A quote from Devin Morgan saved on my computer.
"I have made two FAQs on GBA roms. The rest of the games, I own."
-- October 12th, Doodleheimer's poll thread entitled "Poll: Have you writers ever used romz to write FAQs?"
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From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:26:44 PM | Message Detail
Chase, what have I really to say about this anyway? I saw your apology, I guess I can accept it, but it doesn't mean I'm going to be happy with a repost of the FAQ. I don't feel there's a need/use for double-standards anymore. You plagiarized, you get the same punishment as those who got nailed before you. The other guy these people are referring to got banned from contributing for a good 6-7 months, then finally got back because he pissed off CJC by begging that whole time.
I'm not going to pursue the idea of getting all your FAQs pulled, though. I just don't believe you should be given a second chance with SSBM, and if you do, I will question the way things are being run/why there's a double-standard. But until then, just take it that I've read/somewhat accepted your apology, 'twas an honest mistake, but it doesn't mean I think any different of the situation.
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From: Chise Ace Uirureyu | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:28:42 PM | Message Detail
BUT! If your so mature Chise, why did you even take his stuff in the first place? You see this is whats wrong, you are bothered by people you call stupid, but were bothered by the stupid things You do, imagine that? What did you want him to do, write you a thank you note and send cookie because you apologized? Its not like its his fault you did this in the first place. And if you’ll ever learn one thing from me, the guilt and sympathy thing doesn’t work here, 95% of the posters on this board are vets and see right through the crap, so just cut it.
MY POST ON THE SSBM BOARD:
"I admit it. I did copy that from Devin's FAQ. For that, I'm going to rewrite that part (its the only copied part) and resubmit it. I'm sorry everyone. I'm sorry Devin. I wasn't thinking. I guess I was too worried about getting it done in time and getting it up before a barrage of FAQs come in that I just forgot about it. Again, I'm sorry, and I had every right to get it renounced. Now I'll get it on and deserve it."
MY POST ON THIS THREAD
"Can you people give it a rest, really? I feel terrible for what I have done. I never thought I could do such a terrible thing. I didn't even realize I was doing it. I get wrapped up in things too easily and forget what's going on around me. I'm just so surprised at how immature and unforgiving everyone can act. And I'm yet to see DMorgan reply to my apology. Are you cold-hearted as well? I respect you, Devin. I respect a lot of users on this board. And I'm not sucking up so I can "get away" with this little "trick" everyone's obsessed with thinking I pulled. No matter how much I say it was a truthful accident, no one will ever forgive me because of their own insecurity. I find it quite sad, actually. And don't get upset because I'm trying to stand up for myself or I'm using "big words" or something. Everyone makes mistakes, people. What's also sad is that no one even cared about my FAQ until something went wrong with it. I find that terrible and unforgiving myself."
No one reads in-between the lines, eh?
I've never seen anything so heated as this and believe me I though i got myself into situations that were bad! Beside... Peace has to begin somewhere so i suggest we let Devin Morgan and PAC sit it out and talk it out then once they sort it all out come back to the board and announce their decisions rather than get everyone involved....
I find that a good idea. Devin, do you have Yahoo or AOL? I'll be glad to talk to you away from the herd. Maybe we can work something out. You can set up the time or whatever.
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From: MHulbert | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:29:12 PM | Message Detail
Robbie G, if your naïve enough to think he’s acting all sorry because he actually is, maybe you are a sitting duck. I’ve seen this a million times, the only reason anyone ever tried to apologize is to salvage what excuse of a reputation they had. I think I saw something where you said you were new to writing FAQs? Take this advice, if someone gets caught and apologizes, they don’t mean it. If people don’t get caught and admit it, they want attention. And if they don’t plagiarize at all, everyone would have liked them more in the first place.
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From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:29:19 PM | Message Detail
What's not to say I actually owned the games as well, hmm? There's the flaw to your supposed argument here.. Now if you have nothing relevant to the topic at hand, leave now.
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From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:32:32 PM | Message Detail
I've AIM, but since I don't publically give out my name anymore, you'll have to give me yours first. If you don't feel comfortable posting it here, just mail it over; devin_morgan@netzero.net
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From: MHulbert | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:34:25 PM | Message Detail
PAC, reading in between the lines is one thing, those words meaning anything is another. As you well know, or hopefully know. fonts don’t show emotion, and I have a hard time believing as most of the people here do that your actual sorry. Whether were wrong or not, I guess we’ll never know, but that’s the chance you take in committing an act such as this. You can be forgiven, but that image people take of you will never be the same, no matter what you do.
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Matt
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From: Chise Ace Uirureyu | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:35:06 PM | Message Detail
TVaughnWV
I'll be waiting.
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"The sea is beautiful. The sea is my life. My life is beautiful. ~ me (This is Paper Ace Chase)
Best friend: HyperChao |
From: Nintendoholic123 | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:35:53 PM | Message Detail
Really, so that choice of words "The rest" was just coincidence, eh?
Ah, I love muck-raking. My job is never done!
And my whole bloody point is ANYONE who has used a rom is just as guilty of piracy/stealing/plagiarism as Chise.
So take a chill pill, have a martini, and desperse.
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From: Chise Ace Uirureyu | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:37:08 PM | Message Detail
I wasn't emphasizing emotions. I was emphasizing the parts of my messages you had obviously missed, which related to what you were talking about (in my italicized text). Now, let's try this again ...
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"The sea is beautiful. The sea is my life. My life is beautiful. ~ me (This is Paper Ace Chase)
Best friend: HyperChao |
From: Chise Ace Uirureyu | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:40:09 PM | Message Detail
I'm just so curious. What do you have to do to prove to everyone that I am sincere? Apparently, you know so much about pointing those kind of people out. Come on. One thing that only someone truly sincere could answer/do. Anything!
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Best friend: HyperChao |
From: Robbie B | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:42:52 PM | Message Detail
MHulbert
I'll take that under thought... Perhaps i am naive but i'd rather the two sort things out rather than see a whole flame war go on here which is exactly what i hate to see.
I am new to writing FAQS, if someone stole what i wrote without giving me credit or asking for permission i would probably be angry but i would bring it to the attention of the person who wrote the FAQ first before putting it out publically....
I've also been in situations where apologising on my part was ignored and thought to be complete rubbish which is why these days when someone apologises for something they have done wrong i tend to remain neutral. He may or he may not be telling the truth and i won't say he is apologising because he is sorry because that information is not known to me.
However i won't ignore his apology but instead take it into account. Something XENOGEARS did with me when i made a vital mistake in my newbie days and i still thank him for doing that and my apology was accepted by him and everyone else although my "crime" was nothing like this...
I see you do have a point and i agree perhaps i am naive but experience makes people like me think the other way at times.
Note this isn't a flame just an explanation so don't take offense.
Peace.
Robbie..
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From: Orca782 | Posted: 12/11/2001 6:54:19 PM | Message Detail
Hey guys, thanks for the checking out faqs info. I'll do that now. As a fairly new writer, I only know a few writers myself. And on a sidenote, it was a MGS2 guide, not that it matters, not a Halo.
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From: MHulbert | Posted: 12/11/2001 7:01:00 PM | Message Detail
My bad Orca, I was reading the Halo preview and typing that I just put it on.
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Matt
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From: AstroBlue | Posted: 12/11/2001 9:09:35 PM | Message Detail
Oh gee wilkers... what do I have here. A quote from Nintendoholic123 saved on my computer.
From: Nintendoholic123 Posted: 11/20/2001 3:28:56 PM
I eat poopy!
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"Zelda 64 is Mario 64 with a sword." -- BobotheClown
October 20th, Shapadonkles thread entitled "Poll: Who is a fecalphiliac?"
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From: Adrenaline | Posted: 12/11/2001 9:52:44 PM | Message Detail
*snorts*
Devin, I do remember your telling about how two of your GBA FAQs were written using ROMs in a Poll some time ago. After the 'holic told you straight, you never bothered to reply. And now, you're claiming that all your GBA games are original copies. So, which is it, Devin? Are you saying that only 'cause we're in the midst of a legal issue here? Hm? *shrugs* Of course, my memory is probably having spastic attacks and randomly generating false information. Oh right, it was either 2 GBA games, or 2 GBA games and the Mario Picross game thingy majiger.
As for the ugly plagiarist, you is a bad man. You should know better than to copy another FAQ sharing the same page, the same site, the same webmaster, the same uh, stuff...And then, directly lifting information from a vet FAQ author like Devin? He sniffs plagiarized work out like hot cakes.
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From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/11/2001 10:18:48 PM | Message Detail
I used the ROMs, but what's not to say I actually had/have the ORIGINAL GAMES as well? The only games I couldn't possibly own real copies of, and therefore used ROMs to write for were the SNES Picross games (JP only, no online store sells them)...
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From: AstroBlue | Posted: 12/11/2001 10:51:58 PM | Message Detail
They're not actually technically SNES Devin, they're Nintendo Power Famicom cartridges. Which were created through the fan programing software Nintendo Power.
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From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/11/2001 10:58:06 PM | Message Detail
I'm aware of the history of the NP games and Super Famicom, thanks very much... ;)
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From: IceFlamethrower2 | Posted: 12/11/2001 11:17:10 PM | Message Detail
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From: chaosdemon | Posted: 12/12/2001 10:30:46 AM | Message Detail
Aww...man! I missed the whole war! Umm...I spent the WHOLE morning reading all the threads(and that took a hell of a long time) I'm just wonderin' if many of the people in the SSBM Board knows who you are Devin.
Haha, the probably know who you are now. ;)
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From: Orca782 | Posted: 12/12/2001 11:30:15 AM | Message Detail
Okay, on that note, who are you Devin? I see from your status that you are a moderator, so I guess you're a lucky guy. I wish I were. Anyway, I didn't really check out the boards besides game boards, it's cool they have other boards. Besides, I was thinking of Karma, which I really like the idea of, as it's like an rpg level system.
(calculates to self: 700=elite. I heard 7pts a week for a post per day... 100 weeks, 2 years! Haha, elite here I come.)
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From: Nintendoholic123 | Posted: 12/12/2001 6:01:06 PM | Message Detail
"What's so morally wrong about using ROMs anyway? Yes, it is plagirism in a sense, but it is different because large corporations,"
*Chuckle*...that's not the point. The point is, Devin is getting all up in arms over CWilley's totally stupid mistake when he himself is guilty of slipping up from time to time.
And I'm so sure corporations make games by programming them with Cray 2000 supra-computers...
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From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/12/2001 7:01:45 PM | Message Detail
Well, you're the one who's bringing up irrelevant nonsense into this topic. It doesn't matter if I (or anyone else here for that matter) use/have used/will use ROMs; that's our business and to see you're saving such polls just to "point stuff out" later on is ignorance. And I do think I asked you to leave if you've nothing relevant to this topic to say, so please leave.
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From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/12/2001 7:04:23 PM | Message Detail
And Orca... I've been here since the day GameFAQs Message Boards started, and was a contributor for over a year before that point in time (I started writing in mid-1998). I'm obviously known by basically everyone here in one way or another, and the majority of folks show respect, as do I. Apart from the FAQ-writing aspect, I'm also a board mod here as well as an active writer. So it's safe to say people know who I am around here. :P
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From: Nintendoholic123 | Posted: 12/12/2001 7:12:50 PM | Message Detail
"that's our business and to see you're saving such polls just to "point stuff out" later on is ignorance."
You just don't get it, do you?
Like talking to a brick wall.
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From: iamnothing | Posted: 12/12/2001 7:18:22 PM | Message Detail
Damn. I have to get serial for a moment rather than being my usual anoying comment self.
And my whole bloody point is ANYONE who has used a rom is just as guilty of piracy/stealing/plagiarism as Chise
Point of order:
1) Piracy is the redistribution of copyrighted/trademarked material for financial gain. In the late 80's it was also adapted to mean "not-for-profit." Hence, using a license of Microsoft Word on you and your brother's computers falls under the now loose definition of "piracy." Regardless of what people think, this definition is usually only used by corporations to justify price advances to "avoid" future piracy agents.
2) Stealing is closer to ROM usage since you are not licensed for media conversion between carts and computers.
3) Plagarism has absolutely nothing to do with ROM's. If Devin hacked the ROM, re-released it as his own game, and attempted to pitch it to a game company to prove his legitimacy as a game developer, then perhaps the plagarism link could be used. As it is, I have no idea why it was even brought up.
OMFG, I made my Barbie Vacation Adventure guide from a ROM. Do you think I own the game? I don't "own" Thrill Kill, either, but I have a complete moveset for all the versions on my computer. I never released it because there was already one up and it was pointless to release mine. Just like my Tekken 3 guide.
Sadly, I do own Sabrina.
I've been "dealing with Devin" for a long time here, and I can't remember a time when we have ever had a problem with each other. I don't have a problem with him now with this "new ROM info" that is supposedly so earth-shattering.
Now, I don't like second chances here, either. I've never had my work plagarized by another user here, but I have had it in "the real world." Won't be discussing that here for legal reasons, but plagarism is a serious offense. Mainly because you're taking credit for someone else's hard work. You may be lazy or scattered or pressured, but you are still stealing someone else's property.
Sure, legal action wouldn't give financial compensation, but it would appear on your record, and with an appeal, it would carry over after you were 18 and be on your record for 5 years after you turn. Not much of a problem if you're applying for McDonalds, but college applications ask the same thing, and every college that I know of takes plagarism seriously. Usually a suspension and an addition to your college record upon the first offense. As an "experienced plagarist," it might be a little more difficult to get into college. Sometimes they don't look at such things, though.
I doubt Devin would take legal action anyway, but if he did, with your personal admission, he could strike your record with a nasty black mark.
Just because there's no financial repercussions, does not mean that there are not repercussions. Just food for thought since none of this would happen. Just something to think about before you "accidentally" copy something from someone else's document. Which, I must admit is one of the most humorous things that I've ever heard. No one accidentally copies and pastes a section and submits it. There is no accident here.
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From: CMoriarty | Posted: 12/12/2001 7:30:06 PM | Message Detail
Devin isn't in the wrong, everyone uses ROMs, and I couldn't care less who knew. I own a bunch of NES ROMs, big freakin' deal, who the hell cares, really.
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From: flowerpot | Posted: 12/12/2001 7:47:00 PM | Message Detail
CMoriarty, you're under arrest.
*whips out Plagiarism Police badge* |
From: CMoriarty | Posted: 12/12/2001 7:54:25 PM | Message Detail
*resists arrest*
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From: AstroBlue | Posted: 12/12/2001 9:57:58 PM | Message Detail
*Has more then 48 NES Roms*
But they are all in their legitimate carts :p
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From: Pyro Vesten | Posted: 12/12/2001 11:23:08 PM | Message Detail
*has.... 0 roms, and 0 emulators*
I'm soooooo good.
Mwahahahaha!
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From: Nintendoholic123 | Posted: 12/13/2001 4:29:22 PM | Message Detail
"Devin isn't in the wrong, everyone uses ROMs, and I couldn't care less who knew. I own a bunch of NES ROMs"
Wait wait... everyone uses romz?
Have you interviewed everyone?
And if I jumped off the bridge, would you too? Well, sadly, you probably would from the sound of your posts.
"big freakin' deal, who the hell cares, really."
Yea, same thing could be said with CWilley copying a few paragraphs. Wait, it's different when it's the "big, evil, spawn-of-satan, corporations" right?
I guess it's time for you to be tip-the-tup with g'fly and trip the homies...
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From: CMoriarty | Posted: 12/13/2001 4:47:21 PM | Message Detail
Holic, you certainly love to play Devil's Advocate. Using NES ROMs isn't immoral at all, for me, anyway.
I have over 100 NES games on cartridge, I collect when I can. For the games I don't have (or to write a walkthrough, as I did with Dragon Warrior, for ease), I use the ROM of that game, even though I have the cartridge.
Plagerizing someone's work is one thing, using a ROM for fun is a completly different story. I think you're a fool for even classifying them in similar boats. Trying to justify what that plagerist did to my good friend Devin is whacked beyond belief, I think you need you re-evaluate your stance on morals.
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From: CMoriarty | Posted: 12/13/2001 4:49:30 PM | Message Detail
P.S. - The only ROMs or EMUs I own are for the NES console... I -do- think using ROMs on games and systems that a company can still profit off of is wrong... but for a system that's been dead for ten years? Please.
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From: AstroBlue | Posted: 12/13/2001 5:35:01 PM | Message Detail
I don't think anyone got my joke :(
It was lame anyway, I guess!
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From: iamnothing | Posted: 12/13/2001 5:38:58 PM | Message Detail
I got it. I've just never taken time to count my carts since I bought a hell of a lot from Funcoland.
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From: Doodleheimer | Posted: 12/13/2001 11:47:32 PM | Message Detail
Plagerisim is bad, m'kay?
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From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/14/2001 2:32:13 PM | Message Detail
This topic has served its purpose, so it's time for me to end it...
I've a couple quick things to say in part. First off, everyone that supported me here, especially Matt and Colin, thanks alot for all the support; it was really appreciated! We had fun with this all, and we (myself included) got what we wanted as well, which is one less plagiarist around. That is the true cause of helping out on GameFAQs. :)
And just let this be a lesson to all would-be plagiarists out there: We don't play around. This is the second time I actually came down on a person taking my work here on GameFAQs (second time anyone even tried taking my work and posing it as their own, too); let's not allow it to happen for a third time. Again, thanks to those who came out in support in any way, and let's move on with our FAQ-writing lives now. :P
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