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| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/19/2003 1:20:27 PM | Message Detail |
| Okay, a couple things to say in this topic... First off, the 6th Prolifics Tourney is coming soon (2nd of January, to be exact). I am still undecided on how the bracket will be, but I'm thinking of just making it a 64 bracket comprised of the top 64 prolifics, regardless of their past winnings. It would be mixed similarly to the previous few brackets Brian made up for me. And for those wondering, I'm still going to be the host of this tourney even though I may be in it (not that it makes a difference anyway; besides, my mod powers will be helpful for spam voters, to investigate specific users, etc.). So a heads up right now, I WILL be enforcing the tourney's rules more harshly, to the point that if I feel a particular vote is sorta pushing it, I may be asking you to either elaborate or void the vote. More details on that when the tourney actually begins. Second would be a poll. As many of you have known, all the tourneys have been hosted over on the main FAQ board. But just to hear what the consensus says, where should it be hosted this time: the FCB main, or FCB social? That's all for now, thanks... --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Phoenix 1911 | Posted: 12/19/2003 1:24:29 PM | Message Detail |
| Main. What's so social about a tournament (especially considering you don't want people to vote on their friends regardless of their FAQing skills)? |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/19/2003 1:24:58 PM | Message Detail |
| Oh, and if anyone wishes to discuss measures that can be taken to ensure no BSed votes are thrown into this tourney, that's what this topic is for. Alternatively, you can email me at one of my various inboxes if it's something you don't want others to read here. I want to try and make this as unbiased as possible, and I think it's gotten better, but there are still suspicious people/votes around, so guess what, I have to actually be saying this... --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/19/2003 1:27:27 PM | Message Detail |
| Phoenix - If your "friend" is truly better than the other person in your eyes, then go for it. But this isn't grade school; don't pick your friends just because. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Gbness | Posted: 12/19/2003 2:03:46 PM | Message Detail |
| I personally think that it should just be run the way it was before. I really don't think that it should be cut to just the top 64, because eh, we really need to give those a little lower that are still marvelous authors (Karpah, Vegita, etc.) some chance at proving themselves good... as for the location of the topic, I recommend placing it on FCB. I don't know why, but I just think that more people will see it that way. --- FAQs: 16 - 1812K - #89 | Board 19313 - needing topics! Why the heck would someone sig one of their own quotes? I just don't get it. - Gbness |
| From: Warhawk | Posted: 12/19/2003 2:17:54 PM | Message Detail |
| I think that the Tournament should be on the FCB, since this is where it's always been as long as I've been here. I can't wait for this tourney to get underway, but I hope for someday to be in this tourney. I wish that there would be another non-profolic tourney, since there's nobody to do that now. --- CRP: 12949 | FAQS: 11 | KB: 650 FAQ Outlaws | Silent Hill 3 |
| From: Joni Philips | Posted: 12/19/2003 2:17:59 PM | Message Detail |
| [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] |
| From: Joni Philips | Posted: 12/19/2003 2:19:11 PM | Message Detail |
| Warhawk, just hold a NP tournament if you want to hold one, it is that easy. I'd do it but the problem is, I would never be able to post at midnight. --- Goku- Look Vegeta! People popcorn! Vegeta- Ah! What is he on?! |
| From: Warhawk | Posted: 12/19/2003 5:54:43 PM | Message Detail |
| I wouldn't be able to post at midnight either since I live in New York (EST) and I'll be in bed at midnight GF time. I don't know if I'll be good at holding a tourney since I never done one before for FAQers and whatnot. --- CRP: 12949 | FAQS: 11 | KB: 650 FAQ Outlaws | Silent Hill 3 |
| From: CVXFREAK | Posted: 12/19/2003 9:57:16 PM | Message Detail |
| The Main Board sounds fine. --- "You sound like Magus, except you're expensive and he's cheap." - AniHawk http://www.biohazardexe.com - http://www.residentevilfan.org |
| From: StarFighters76 | Posted: 12/19/2003 10:10:13 PM | Message Detail |
| Hard to say Devin, both FCB and FCBS gets the same amount of attention. Probably the social board, since it's more of a socialable topic. --- Just say I'm right or prove me wrong which is it? If you're gonna make a joke topic, atleast make it a funny one. |
| From: Son Kain | Posted: 12/19/2003 10:39:56 PM | Message Detail |
| Why not both? --- IGN Guides - http://guides.ign.com/ Project(s) - Sword of Mana |
| From: Vegita | Posted: 12/19/2003 11:31:38 PM | Message Detail |
| God...Gbness, don't bring me up if you're talkin' about good authors. Furthermore, if I'm not in the Top 64, then I don't get in. That's that. --- "No matter how hard you shine it, crap is still crap." ~Me |
| From: brian sulpher | Posted: 12/20/2003 6:52:26 AM | Message Detail |
| Whichever you prefer to do on brackets (I can whip some up if you need them Dev). I say keep it on the FCB, but announce on the FCBS about the topic. --- 34 FAQs for games never covered at www.GameFAQs.com. |
| From: Wyldcard | Posted: 12/20/2003 8:20:57 AM | Message Detail |
| main. --- John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. <>< |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/20/2003 8:26:23 AM | Message Detail |
| Well, my reason for not having a 96 bracket is that it would simply take too long. It would prolong the first couple rounds of the tourney, which aren't exactly that interesting, so why put everyone through that? Plus, I wanna end up with 2 people naturaly in the end, not 3 where you have to pick 2 and go from there... --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Vegita | Posted: 12/20/2003 10:16:41 AM | Message Detail |
| If you want strictly 2 people in the end, then you'd either have to stick with 64 and shaft some prolifics, try to come up with a few more authors to round up 128 total, or start working the brakets - giving byes and such - to make it come out evenly. --- "No matter how hard you shine it, crap is still crap." ~Me |
| From: Vegita | Posted: 12/20/2003 10:19:51 AM | Message Detail |
| If you want strictly 2 people in the end, then you'd either have to stick with 64 and shaft some prolifics, try to come up with a few more authors to round up 128 total, or start working the brakets - giving byes and such - to make it come out evenly. Frankly, I think sticking with the top 64 is fine, although people will still ignore the idea of voting for the BEST author and instead go with people they like. Considering the fact that this is the only way I ever do well in these tournaments, you can understand why I don't like participating...it's no fun being weeded out early on 'cause someone liked another friend better, until they hit someone with such a staggering KB count that you simply couldn't vote against them in good conscience. Sure, they try to rationalize their arguments - how they liked so-and-so's guide and that it made them laugh - but up until the last 3-4 rounds of the tourney, it's all popularity. I'm not the Star Football Player of the FAQers...heck, I don't think I'm even on the team. If I AM, then I'm the kicker. ...and no one likes the Kicker. --- "No matter how hard you shine it, crap is still crap." ~Me |
| From: Vegita | Posted: 12/20/2003 10:20:40 AM | Message Detail |
| ...why'd it post that first portion of my message twice? I hit 'Preview Message", but then decided to add more...it's not like I posted, then went back and THEN added more... --- "No matter how hard you shine it, crap is still crap." ~Me |
| From: kenb215 | Posted: 12/20/2003 11:16:27 AM | Message Detail |
| ^Maybe a glitch? Anyway, I believe that the tourney should be held in the FCB Main Board. It will receive more viewers that way. --- Philosophy Board cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/gentopic.asp?board=1668 |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:30:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Veg - A 128 bracket _could_ work, since we have exactly that many on the bracket RIGHT NOW. But don't you think that'd be a bit, shall we say, excessive? --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: CWall | Posted: 12/21/2003 6:42:18 AM | Message Detail |
| Devin, when will you make the bracket? I'm at 67th place right now, I think. I always get eliminated early on, but it's still good fun to participate. Which is the last date that I have to submit myself above the 64th place to join? 31th, 30th? --- Sign Duffman's petition for a History Board: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=11037045 |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/21/2003 10:37:35 AM | Message Detail |
| The bracket looks as if it will actually be 128 this time around, so you won't have to worry about the "rank" you are now, and if you'll make it on. Basically, if you feel like moving up anymore (not that you'd know who you'd be going against this early), you have the next couple days to do so, since by next weekend (28th Dec), I'll be filling in the bracket. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: CWall | Posted: 12/21/2003 11:11:47 AM | Message Detail |
| Okay then, thanks. --- Sign Duffman's petition for a History Board: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=11037045 |
| From: AlaskaFox | Posted: 12/21/2003 3:28:51 PM | Message Detail |
| 128 Main Board Fin. --- CRP: 7818 “One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes.” |
| From: TimmyTheRabidTurtle | Posted: 12/22/2003 5:41:45 AM | Message Detail |
| Yay! My first Profilic tournie ^_^ Yup, I'm going out... --- "The Master of Puppets album had made me late for school every day this week." - Katie PioneerGaming.com |
| From: Masamune3 | Posted: 12/22/2003 6:06:29 AM | Message Detail |
| God...Gbness, don't bring me up if you're talkin' about good authors. Furthermore, if I'm not in the Top 64, then I don't get in. That's that. Don't be so modest Vegita. You are a fine writer, and don't think otherwise. :) --- Sometimes, I like to fart on my finger and then immediately sniff it. - coolasice http://faqs.ign.com/articles/446/446326p1.html |
| From: Gbness | Posted: 12/22/2003 7:36:49 AM | Message Detail |
| As for that, yes, I would agree that 128 would be good. It'd make the tourney very exciting. --- FAQs: 16 - 1812K - #89 | Board 19313 - needing topics! Why the heck would someone sig one of their own quotes? I just don't get it. - Gbness |
| From: Vegita | Posted: 12/22/2003 8:58:50 AM | Message Detail |
| Yeah, yeah...if it's all the same to you, Devin, I would still prefer to not be included. Instead, I submit a far superior author - MQuiambao (Mondu Quiambao) - as my replacement. Thanks. --- "No matter how hard you shine it, crap is still crap." ~Me |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/22/2003 1:19:15 PM | Message Detail |
| Ick... Why can't it be where everyone just accepts they're going to be in the tourney, instead of crapping out? It's just for fun, so you're really not losing anything by staying in. Besides, how could I replace someone if they drop out, if we're expending the entire list of prolifics as it stands? --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Michael Tyler | Posted: 12/22/2003 5:07:19 PM | Message Detail |
I say all 128 of the Prolifics should be included, whether they want to or not. I think it all just makes more sense that way. --- •— Reptile | Codes: 46 | FAQs: 16 | Total Kb: 1562 —• In the land of the killers, a sinner's mind is his sanctum. |
| From: Vegita | Posted: 12/22/2003 8:04:18 PM | Message Detail |
| Frankly, I just don't think that I should be included. Yeah, I've written enough work (KB-wise) to be considered in the running...but we're going to be rated by our quality. Seeding comes from KB, I believe, not from quality, so I get a default listing while a better author gets shafted. Thus, I feel I should drop out and offer my starting spot to a writer whom will no doubt do better than myself. --- "No matter how hard you shine it, crap is still crap." ~Me |
| From: me frog | Posted: 12/22/2003 8:06:11 PM | Message Detail |
| Keep in mind that there is also a Non-Prolific tourney... --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: Karpah | Posted: 12/22/2003 8:18:25 PM | Message Detail |
| Bring this tourney on! *awaits first round elimination* --- [ #70 ] Push button to turn on. Play with button to drive wild... <Proud fiance of the Psycho Penguin> |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 12/22/2003 8:26:18 PM | Message Detail |
| Will this be a double elimination tourney? --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 12/22/2003 8:26:59 PM | Message Detail |
| double elimination means twice the humiliation! *rimshot* --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: Karpah | Posted: 12/22/2003 8:31:59 PM | Message Detail |
| Okay, second round elimination then! But hey, I worked a long time just to make it into this tourney, so bring it ON already! --- [ #70 ] Push button to turn on. Play with button to drive wild... <Proud fiance of the Psycho Penguin> |
| From: me frog | Posted: 12/22/2003 8:33:17 PM | Message Detail |
| If all 128 prolifics were entering, a double elimination would take FOREVER! And besides, if you got elminated once, chances are you're gonna get eliminated again. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: Karpah | Posted: 12/22/2003 8:41:53 PM | Message Detail |
| I've run 128-man double elimination tournaments before. At 35 minutes a match-up, it took seventeen hours :) But with one round a day... eh, it'll be a while. --- [ #70 ] Push button to turn on. Play with button to drive wild... <Proud fiance of the Psycho Penguin> |
| From: shoecream | Posted: 12/22/2003 9:10:34 PM | Message Detail |
| You mean, like a third of a year to run the entire thing? Or wait! There's something called a combination tournament: make it single-elimination until like the last 16 or 8 people, and then make it a double elimination. Sounds fun! --- http://losmonos.netfirms.com/faqs/ - FAQer tools If it's not illegal, it must be moral. ~Non Sequitur |
| From: Joni Philips | Posted: 12/23/2003 2:53:10 AM | Message Detail |
| Well, I don't mind being in the tournament if it is a 128 tourney but if I entered in a 64 tourney, I would be taking up the place of a writer who deserves it more. --- Goku- Look Vegeta! People popcorn! Vegeta- Ah! What is he on?! |
| From: papermariodude | Posted: 12/23/2003 2:59:42 AM | Message Detail |
| Just an idea, but if you want to make the tournament quicker run four simultaneous mini tournaments and have the winners of those tournaments square off. Using this method the tournaments could be shortened down to perhaps 35 or so days. --- "Who are you?"- Nintendo Triple H is the World Heavyweight Champion. Time to play the game |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/23/2003 8:54:52 AM | Message Detail |
| Vegita - You don't even KNOW who you're up against yet, so it's not the time to make baseless assumptions. Your work is good, despite what you say, and by crapping out on the tourney like this, you're basically saying you can't handle criticism. You're being kept in. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/23/2003 8:57:00 AM | Message Detail |
| And to address those concerned with the tournament's length. The last couple times, it's been a 96 bracket. Both times, I was able to wrap them up completely in about 20 days. It shouldn't be too much more time if it was 128. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Vegita | Posted: 12/23/2003 8:59:01 PM | Message Detail |
| I can handle criticism just fine; it's the fact that it's not a tournament based upon criticism, it's based upon popularity. As the tourney progresses, people have to justify their decisions more and more instead of the baseless "I like this guy better" statements seen in earlier segments of the tourney. Instead of putting myself up - a name with notariety attached - I would rather see an unknown author (whom I consider to be quite the writer) have his name up there so people would actually have to take a second glance. Yes, I'm fully aware that there is an equally great chance that (since this is a popularity contest) he will get completely thrown in the first round...but I would much rather see a better author with no rep make it past the first couple of rounds based strictly off of their own merits, rather than a known name blitz past better writers because "i liek they're posts adn thnk they r funy". Yes, that was a patronizing shot at the masses, generalizing the majority of you into mindless sheep who can't write well. Is it true? Not for most of you, no. However...it's how I feel, and simply stating what you believe to be the truth - i.e., "We're not like that", "You're a good writer", et al - isn't going to change my mind. Keep me out of the tournament. --- "No matter how hard you shine it, crap is still crap." ~Me |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/23/2003 10:36:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Time to have some fun... I can handle criticism just fine; it's the fact that it's not a tournament based upon criticism, it's based upon popularity. How do you figure? Or is this based on how you feel the voters think (some of them at least)? You shouldn't call my tourney a popularity contest, since that's not how I intend it to be, so you're wrong (#1). As the tourney progresses, people have to justify their decisions more and more instead of the baseless "I like this guy better" statements seen in earlier segments of the tourney. Well, that's the point, yes... Instead of putting myself up - a name with notariety attached - I would rather see an unknown author (whom I consider to be quite the writer) have his name up there so people would actually have to take a second glance. First, you don't even know who you're going against yet, nor do I (the brackets have yet to be prepared for my use). If people vote you ahead, it _should_ be based on their actual thoughts of your WORK, not you as a person (granted, Steve may not be liked around here, but he must write pretty damn well to go so far in each tourney to date). So there goes your theory. (#2) Yes, I'm fully aware that there is an equally great chance that (since this is a popularity contest) he will get completely thrown in the first round...but I would much rather see a better author with no rep make it past the first couple of rounds based strictly off of their own merits, rather than a known name blitz past better writers because "i liek they're posts adn thnk they r funy". And that's the sort of behavior I've tried to stop in the past, and actually enforced in the 5th tourney back in September. That shouldn't be an issue at all; if I feel someone's giving a BS reason, I'll put a stop to it. Same should go if anyone else feels something shady is going on; bring it to my attention and I will try my best to investigate/solve the problem(s). Yes, that was a patronizing shot at the masses, generalizing the majority of you into mindless sheep who can't write well. There are something like 30,000 contributors, the majority of which are FAQ/review writers, so saying the grand majority of them can't write is taking a stab in the dark. I bet if I went to today's What's New page, I could just at random click on FAQs by random people, and find some well-done works. Might not be masterpieces (but then who can judge what should be), but alot of what _is_ posted isn't as bad as it could've been. Is it true? Not for most of you, no. However...it's how I feel, and simply stating what you believe to be the truth - i.e., "We're not like that", "You're a good writer", et al - isn't going to change my mind. I didn't state it as truth, I stated it as my opinion. Take it as you wish, but it's neither true nor false. Give yourself a chance for a change. Keep me out of the tournament. Negative. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Masamune3 | Posted: 12/23/2003 10:58:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Devin, if he doesn't want to be in the tournament, don't put him in. He has his reasons, and all he asks is that you grant it. Quite simple, if you ask me... --- Sometimes, I like to fart on my finger and then immediately sniff it. - coolasice http://faqs.ign.com/articles/446/446326p1.html |
| From: me frog | Posted: 12/24/2003 2:04:04 AM | Message Detail |
| Vegita: It's a freaking message board tournament. You're in, no problem. Like I said before, any non-prolific authors get their chance when they are entered in the non-prolific tourney. Besides if you leave, it'll throw off the whole bracket unless Devin replaces you with some non-prolific dude, which sorta defeats the purpose of having a prolific tourney. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 12/24/2003 8:41:31 AM | Message Detail |
| Or until we can get another person on the prolific list before the end of the month... --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Psycho Penguin | Posted: 12/24/2003 2:26:11 PM | Message Detail |
| You shouldn't call my tourney a popularity contest, since that's not how I intend it to be, so you're wrong (#1). I intended to win the super bowl in Madden 2004, lost in the 1st round of playoffs.. but I intended to win so I won, right? --- [ #3 ] I see the light in the sand. Time to find out who I am. <Proud Fiance of Karpah> |
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