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| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/26/2004 7:00:36 PM | Message Detail |
| ...is Adrenaline SL!!!! Congratulations!!!! Honestly though, I knew you were going to end up winning it once you got into the semi-final against me. You beat me last time we matched up, so it seemed likely to happen again. Nonetheless, you're a great writer, and should get into it again like the rest of this board has. Oh, and my apologies for the BSing that took place during the aforementioned match yesterday. And thus, the tourney itself is wrapped up again for the time being. It will re-emerge on this board again on/about April 1st, 2004 - I hope to see a greater volume of consistent voters then! But before I go, I want to hear what this past tourney's patrons have to say. I'm up for discussion on how to further improve the tourney for next time. Anything you have to say could be considered, no matter how minor/major it is. So, whatever comes to mind, feel free to pass it along in this topic (or if you wish, email me at dbm11085@gamefaqs.net). I've tried my best to come up with new methods and such to make the tourney run better, and it's worked; but it still needs to be helped. I even had an idea set up for this January tourney, but due to poor organization, I couldn't get it straightened out before it started. I'll discuss it later on if I see interest in terms of suggestions/ideas. You guys are the ones voting in it, so let's hear the ideas for April! Thanks for voting, and as a final note: the tourney runs on a January/April/July/October schedule, for those interested. Take care. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Gbness | Posted: 1/26/2004 7:03:33 PM | Message Detail |
| Congratulations to Adrenaline! --- [ #72 ] FAQs: 18 - 2270K | Please don't kill Gbness! Got something nice to say or post? Post it at Board 19313 - Space Harrier. |
| From: Warhawk | Posted: 1/26/2004 7:04:05 PM | Message Detail |
| I have to say that it was an interesting Tourney though, but maybe next year if I'm make it to the Prolific list I can possibly take part in the tourney but until then I will have to just write FAQs until I reach there. I don't care how many I do but I will try to be there next year, if I'm lucky to be there next year or sometime within the next 2 - 3 years. --- CRP: 12949 | FAQS: 11 | KB: 693 FAQ Outlaws | |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/26/2004 7:05:44 PM | Message Detail |
| YAY ADRENALINE! *hopes she notices my sexy body* I don't have an idea right now, but I'll post one if I think of something. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: Merca | Posted: 1/26/2004 7:19:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Congrats Adrenaline! Definitely a well-deserved win! --- "I meditate diligently every morning. The subjects are life and love. I quit after three seconds." ~ Vash the Stampede, Trigun |
| From: Elyon | Posted: 1/26/2004 7:20:01 PM | Message Detail |
| Good job! I think though, that you should be required to give a reason for your votes even in round one, and not only in round 2 and on. --- [The PIE Army] If I can't have eternal peace, I'll have eternal chaos... |
| From: CVXFREAK | Posted: 1/26/2004 7:24:19 PM | Message Detail |
| This tourney went real well. The matches were heated, and there were tons of close rounds. However, all of the complaining from a certain someone during a few rounds really killed a lot of it (seriously, unless you're voting on reason, keep that stuff to yourself!). Also, a few people who deserved to get further than they did didn't, and the opposite, but it's all cool. Everyone who's prolific is a good author, and the winner was a well deserving one. Improvements for the next tourney include slightly less strict rules, and the exclusion of past winners. The last two tourneys, including the retro one, were living proof that the same winners shall prevail again. However, those are deserved victories, and this huge tourney was awesomely fun. :) --- "I pwned Link316!!!" - Me "Don't brag. Everyone's pwned Link316 at least once." - A Link to the Past |
| From: nintendomaster14 | Posted: 1/26/2004 7:38:51 PM | Message Detail |
| Nice work Dev. I think I am going to be in the next tourney. You can count on it guys! --- FAQs: 12 (1277KB) | Non-Prolific |FFX-2 | BSalari |
| From: Mr Jason | Posted: 1/26/2004 8:08:14 PM | Message Detail |
| Personally, I don't have any complaints about the Tourny, although it would be kinda nice if Jeff had his own Profilic Tourny (Not poll of the day, something FAQers could only vote for, alas, that will never happen). --- Thank you, St. Peter. I look forward to hearing your response to the following: ( | ) This is your ass. It is very fat.-Seanbaby |
| From: Rodri316 | Posted: 1/26/2004 8:15:32 PM | Message Detail |
| Congratulations, Adrenaline. You're a good writer. I've used one of your FAQs before. --- Current FAQ Project: The Legend of Zelda: Adventure of Link Trivia League II Record: 1-0 Rank: 1/16 Tied with 7 |
| From: War Doc | Posted: 1/26/2004 8:29:47 PM | Message Detail |
| Congrats Adrenaline on your well fought victory. On another note, I want to thank all who voted for me and got me into the 2nd round of this tournament. --- 1 lb C4, 200 ft det cord, cable, and battery is a great problem solver Living by chance, loving by choice, killing by profession |
| From: ZoopSoul | Posted: 1/26/2004 8:32:22 PM | Message Detail |
| Congrats ASL. Well deserved win. Congrats to Andrew for kicking major ass, too. Woo. -Zoop --- ZoopSoul FAQs: 19 - KB: 3760 - CRP: 26774 IGN Guides: http://guides.ign.com/ |
| From: Adrenaline | Posted: 1/26/2004 8:45:42 PM | Message Detail |
Thanks everyone! And a very special thumbs up to Devin for hosting this tourney. Takes a lot of time and dedication, so bravo. Well, the only complaint I have about this tourney is that it's kind of repetitive. I mean, I've been pitted against the same people over and over (Tom Hayes, CVXFREAK, Devin, etc.). You should really randomize it some more. If you want I can help out with that for the next tourney, as I have a good method of doing so. :] Again, a big thanks to all my fans, my manager, MS word, the hobo (aka bananadrilgrail) living under my bed, and anyone else who feels they should be thanked. |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/26/2004 9:04:47 PM | Message Detail |
| Feel free to talk about your method(s) here... Maybe we can work something out, then I can get to explain why randomly seeding everyone technically won't work well... --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: FoxHound26 | Posted: 1/26/2004 9:23:14 PM | Message Detail |
| I liked the way Sulpher voted in the finals. At some point in the tournament that should be the official ballot for voting, where reasons could be inputed in each section. 1. Format 2. Content 3. Flow Of Writing 4. Comprehensiveness 5. Range of Games/FAQ Types Covered Congrats ASL, hope your future guides are as good and better than the current ones. --- Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul |
| From: BSulpher | Posted: 1/26/2004 9:33:37 PM | Message Detail |
| I always do a big vote like that for the final match, but I think doing that for every match is too much. --- Yap, yap, yap! Shut your trap! - Flak |
| From: Vegita | Posted: 1/26/2004 9:47:25 PM | Message Detail |
| Way to improve the tournament: don't include me. Failing that, we can go for the "let's obviously try for getting attention" ploy -- don't have seeded moments, have "grudge-match" set-ups. Have McFadden versus Colin or Zoop or whoever, You versus Dingo or Me, Ceej versus Dingo or Nemesis (didn't they have a feud?)...that sort of thing. C'mon, I might even try to spark a few more fights just to rile up the crowd a bit more and make it more interesting! Go go go! --- "No matter how hard you shine it, crap is still crap." ~Me |
| From: Adrenaline | Posted: 1/26/2004 9:53:27 PM | Message Detail |
Feel free to talk about your method(s) here... Maybe we can work something out, then I can get to explain why randomly seeding everyone technically won't work well... I learned this randomization method from taking AP Statistics. It's time consuming but gets the job done fairly well. Out of the <insert number of prolifics> on the list between now and April, I imagine you'll allow only <insert whatever number you're allowing to participate in next tourney> to participate in the next tourney. So, to give EVERYONE an EQUAL chance of participating in it (since many of the prolifics were excluded this time), this is what we (or I will do if you want): 1. Assign a number from 01 to [total number of prolifics] to each prolific writer. For example, Aaron Baker is the first on the list so he gets the number 01. The next person down the list gets 02, next 03, and so on until everyone has been assigned a number. 2. Use a TI-83 calculator, or random integer table (which I have) 3. For every two digits you come up with, the person who was assigned the generated digits will participate in the tourney. This will continue until all the positions have been filled. Does this sound confusing? I'm tired and am having trouble breathing. My ducts need to be cleaned. Damn dustmites. :OOOO Anyway, you don't have to use the method for whatever reason. However, this method really does give everyone on the list an equal chance of eligibility. Plus, the match-ups will be totally random. By rotten chance, some people may end up with people they've competed against before. WooOoosaaah!1! *faints from all the dust circulating in her room* |
| From: Masamune3 | Posted: 1/26/2004 11:12:20 PM | Message Detail |
| Congrats Adrenaline! And a great tourney Devin, the best I have seen yet. --- THE most comprehensive Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 2 guide on the net: http://faqs.ign.com/articles/446/446326p1.html |
| From: ZoopSoul | Posted: 1/26/2004 11:56:34 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm tired of facing Schultz. He beats me too often. =P -Zoop --- ZoopSoul FAQs: 19 - KB: 3760 - CRP: 26774 IGN Guides: http://guides.ign.com/ |
| From: Dr Snuggles | Posted: 1/27/2004 1:27:33 AM | Message Detail |
| Congrats, ASL and well done Devin. |
| From: THayes | Posted: 1/27/2004 3:21:56 AM | Message Detail |
| Congratulations Adrenaline for winning the tourney, and to Devin for running it successfully. |
| From: antseezee | Posted: 1/27/2004 4:09:53 AM | Message Detail |
| Good job. --- "Some people make sacrifices to make other people happy." http://antseezee.sphosting.com/ - An updated NES Rarity Guide is out! |
| From: Gbness | Posted: 1/27/2004 4:45:37 AM | Message Detail |
| I agree with some of the ideas posted. The tourney should be more randomized, so people can end up facing all-new people. And yes, I think that reasons do indeed need to be used to vote, even in the first round. Cyril is quite right in that area. --- [ #72 ] FAQs: 18 - 2270K | Please don't kill Gbness! Got something nice to say or post? Post it at Board 19313 - Space Harrier. |
| From: Joni Philips | Posted: 1/27/2004 7:58:19 AM | Message Detail |
| Good tournament although I didn't feel like voting once we got in the semi finals. Deserving winner and now to work on my FAQ's to improve andd hope that I don't end up in Brians group. --- Goku- Look Vegeta! People popcorn! Vegeta- Ah! What is he on?! |
| From: wizardman | Posted: 1/27/2004 8:38:07 AM | Message Detail |
| Congrats to Adrenaline. I'll try and vote in all of them next time. Especially the final, rather than abstaining :P --- What do you do? Tear up sheets of paper with equations written on them? X Launcher on Math Murderer |
| From: Happybuddha311 | Posted: 1/27/2004 8:57:05 AM | Message Detail |
| I like the grudge match Idea, but the standards for voting should be alot tougher for those to prevent a popularity contest. --- Happybuddha311:Has a Dynamic Sig! |
| From: Crazyreyn | Posted: 1/27/2004 9:02:25 AM | Message Detail |
| Congratulations! --- Crazyreyn | AVFC | CRP: 27600 IGN FAQ Writer of the Week - http://faqs.ign.com/articles/474/474820p1.html |
| From: ASchultz | Posted: 1/27/2004 10:52:20 AM | Message Detail |
| Congrats to Adrenaline! I'm happy to have gotten that far, but I'm now 0-2 against her in these I believe. I don't know what to make of how to randomize things. I seem to have wound up against different people in the early rounds, but then new people are always just cracking prolific and going up against the top seeds. Perhaps a system like the NBA lottery would work...i.e. take the top 128. Set up the current brackets with the seedings, matchups, etc. Now Devin gets 128 balls, I get 127, etc., and then pick seed #1, seed #2, etc. Maybe we'll want to adjust the numbers(i.e. (129-rank) ^ 2), but it seems possible to write a program to do that pretty easily. I don't know where this leaves people who are 'on the bubble', but I suspect that we can have a wild-card play-in sort of thing. Another suggestion would be to do seedings by # of documents contributed and not KB for the next tourney and see how that goes. --- http://www.livejournal.com/users/bloglecruncheon was http://blurglecruncheon.blogspot.com |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/27/2004 12:49:27 PM | Message Detail |
| Cyril - I had the same thought, but then decided against it since they were all pretty much givens as far as who would win them goes. BTW, I don't recall seeing you voting in any of this tourney, so why are you here? Adrenaline - That's been a thought, of course; but here's where it goes wrong. If we randomize the seeding process like that, we could end up with 2 REALLY good writers going against each other in the first round, where they'd normally not end up together until the last round or 2. It's flawed since it could have the potential to eliminate too many of the better writers early on, leaving the better of the 2 good writers to move on, but stuck dealing with "lesser" opponents since the best of the competition was already removed early on. See where I'm going with this? --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/27/2004 12:51:06 PM | Message Detail |
| And about the grudge matches... There's simply not enough to bolster a full tourney apart from probably 6 people (all of whom going against the same person, apparently)... --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: StarFighters76 | Posted: 1/27/2004 1:34:32 PM | Message Detail |
| WOOHOO Adreniline!! I will definitely enter in the next one. Hopefully I will have everything I need to enter it. My goal, is hit prolific and have well over 100 FAQs posted. Devin I got a question, what if this image glitch lasts till the next tourney, will you then consider that for prolific status? I'm hoping to be prolific by then, with writing, but I'm just curious incase I don't end up there. ^_^ --- Just say I'm right or prove me wrong which is it? If you're gonna make a joke topic, atleast make it a funny one. |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/27/2004 1:36:40 PM | Message Detail |
| We have 3 months; it should be fixed by then. Even if it's not, I go by my own list I've been maintaining, since I consider it to be as official/accurate as possible for the time being. Sorry. --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: Meowthnum1 | Posted: 1/27/2004 1:44:36 PM | Message Detail |
| Since I voted in the rest of it, I might as well toss my thoughts here. -I do like the idea of a ballot. -Maybe (and I seem to remember this being done with one tournament or another) you should leave the final round up for 48 hours? -What if the image glitch/co-author glitch isn't really a glitch? What if it's intentional? -I say that if a participant in the tournament starts causing trouble, then he/she is disqualified. If someone who is not a participant starts trouble, then he/she loses the right to vote. Any further messages from an entrant or a non-entrant who have caused trouble will be ignored and possibly deleted. --- ''She's in to witchcraft and one kiss and I'm zapped...'' |
| From: Phoenix 1911 | Posted: 1/27/2004 2:02:25 PM | Message Detail |
| (insert obligatory congratulations post here) |
| From: AstroBlue | Posted: 1/27/2004 2:28:12 PM | Message Detail |
| Congrats ASL! Brian's system: 1. Format 2. Content 3. Flow Of Writing 4. Comprehensiveness 5. Range of Games/FAQ Types Covered Would be OK, but the problem is it equally weights all catagories. Are you saying content is as important as range of games/FAQ types covered? --- AstroBlue | (CRP #4127) <BGFC> <FSSFHRB> Visualshock! Speedshock! Soundshock! Now is time to the 68000 heart on fire! |
| From: Vegita | Posted: 1/27/2004 3:51:15 PM | Message Detail |
| How about this: Grudge Round Robin. We take some of the more notorious of people 'round here, then have 'em square off against each other one at a time and whoever racks up the most wins is...well, probably the biggest loser at that point. --- "No matter how hard you shine it, crap is still crap." ~Me |
| From: BSulpher | Posted: 1/27/2004 5:04:59 PM | Message Detail |
| The idea is the best overall writer of the two, hence I used the five main portions of a FAQ from a technical standpoint. --- Yap, yap, yap! Shut your trap! - Flak |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/27/2004 5:08:54 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm liking Brian's idea, about the 5 points to be compared in both peoples' guides, then the person who wins in 3 or more of those points, is the overall winner for that match in your vote (that's how I interpret it at least). After some fine-tuning, it'd be an excellent plan if others like it as well... --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: War Doc | Posted: 1/27/2004 5:41:01 PM | Message Detail |
| Hmmm. This thought about good or bad writers going against each other via the seeding is interesting. The whole purpose of this tournament is to see who the best of the best is (so to speak). That might very well mean that the "best" writers might be eliminated early. Nothing wrong with that. I like the idea of random seeding myself. As for the other suggestion of grudge match. Maybe a FAQ cage match. --- 1 lb C4, 200 ft det cord, cable, and battery is a great problem solver Living by chance, loving by choice, killing by profession |
| From: Masamune3 | Posted: 1/27/2004 9:32:41 PM | Message Detail |
| Devin, if you want to make the tournament random, I'm sure I (or anyone else who knows how) could just make the simplest of VB6 programs that will pick a random number between 1-128. Then you can just do match-ups... --- Help clean up the FCB - http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12369920 |
| From: djg40 | Posted: 1/27/2004 9:34:27 PM | Message Detail |
| Why randomize though? The rankings are constantly fluctuating, and people are only facing the same people over and over again because they consistently make it to the later rounds. Randomizing the entire tournament is not going to change the last few rounds into new matchups. --- Psycho Penguin: "I don't know how I got so high." Current Project(s): Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance (PS2) |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/27/2004 9:39:24 PM | Message Detail |
| It can change results later. Let's say that CVX has been always paired up with some crappy filler dude. If he is paired up against someone tougher, he might get out (no offense to CVX, just using an example and you're the first person that popped into my head) of the tourney. An elimination of a single person can change the whole thing. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: djg40 | Posted: 1/27/2004 9:43:02 PM | Message Detail |
| But then the "crappy filler" person goes on to the next round. Why shouldn't it go by rankings? --- Psycho Penguin: "I don't know how I got so high." Current Project(s): Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance (PS2) |
| From: me frog | Posted: 1/27/2004 9:43:59 PM | Message Detail |
| then the "crappy filler" dude gets eliminated by someone else. --- Homer Simpson:Hello? Operator? Give me the number for 911! If you can't impress people with your intelligence, confuse them with your stupidity |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/27/2004 10:10:39 PM | Message Detail |
| Well, if you look at the past 3 tourneys I had 96 brackets for (the 3rd, 4th, and 5th tourneys namely)... Most people were in totally different locations on the grid all 3 times. So it's not like the exact same people end up together each time. With that, I don't think we really need to truly randomize the seeding process, since time does a good enough job as it stands. :) --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |
| From: AstroBlue | Posted: 1/27/2004 11:48:01 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm liking Brian's idea, about the 5 points to be compared in both peoples' guides, then the person who wins in 3 or more of those points, is the overall winner for that match in your vote (that's how I interpret it at least). After some fine-tuning, it'd be an excellent plan if others like it as well... As I said, the problem is that it gives equal weighting to all catagories. No way is the range of games even as remotely important as content. You'd be better to split it in three catagories: * Formatting * Content (writing quality & flow), coverage, and comprehensiveness) * Contribution to Gaming Community (Not based on KB) Which are all pretty much equally important. And regarding the last catagory, it's based on how much of an impact you have had to the gaming community. For instance, Kaymana would score high because practically all western Sakura Wars fandom is a result of his Sakura Taisen translation guides. ASchlutz & BSulpher would also score high, since they have covered so many games which no one else has. --- AstroBlue | (CRP #4127) <BGFC> <FSSFHRB> Visualshock! Speedshock! Soundshock! Now is time to the 68000 heart on fire! |
| From: antseezee | Posted: 1/28/2004 2:41:56 AM | Message Detail |
| Nah, I like being seeded according to total KB. It wouldn't be fair awarding some bum the #1 ranking if he doesn't necessarily deserve it. As long as FAQ writers continue to increase their profiles with more guides, then the rankings should fluctuate each quarter. --- "Some people make sacrifices to make other people happy." http://antseezee.sphosting.com/ - An updated NES Rarity Guide is out! |
| From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 1/28/2004 9:28:08 AM | Message Detail |
| ^And they do. Blue: That's why we have 3 months to refine any new methods being used... :) --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 Prolific Writers' Ranking Page: http://www.accentral.net/list.php |